Sub 2836 vs 3135

[muiramas]

The 2836/24 is thicker than the 3135 (in any of its variants), hence the back is slightly thicker and the crown sits deeper in the case (if you look from the front, hope it makes sense).

However, we talk about mms and almost impossible to notice unless you have a gen side by side.

Regarding longevity of the movements, the 3135 rarely accept gen parts unless you are talking about a Yuki/SH3135 and even in that case you can't be 100% sure that you will be able to put gen parts.

Regarding the SA3135, the list of weak parts in the initial batches is so long that I'd rather not get anywhere near one of them. It's correct that the stem tended to broke, and that seems to be sorted, but the reverse wheels are crap and can cause trouble.

On the other side, the 2836/24 has been there since the 60's so you can imagine the amount of spare parts available. The specs are really good and once regulated it can be very reliable (many high end watches have this model inside, or slight variations -talking about Breitling, Longines, Tudor, and some Omegas-). Plus, its design is quite good and simple, making it very fool-proof, so almost any capable watch smith can perform a full service on it.

Hence: ETA for me. Either Asian clone, gen ETA or Sellita, I'm not picky.

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[johnlia]

I have 3 SA 3135 Reps and also had a yuki. My SA3135 v2 SD4k is unstoppable. I think all the horror stories of the SA3135 breaking were from the thin stem. That problem has been fixed on newer SA3135. If you read the notes on PT website under certain watches, it will say if the SA3135 has the thicker stem. One note, I had my SD4k serviced as soon as I got it- I think a service when the watch is new definitely goes a long way. Just my 2 cents.

I'm about to get a sd4k u think I'm gonna get a good one if I choose a sa3135


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I'm about to get a sd4k u think I'm gonna get a good one if I choose a sa3135


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Don't know, but mine came with the Matte dial. Only thing needed to be fixed was crystal height and I always have it serviced when new. Tickleshoes did mine- it is quite and crystal height is dead on to my Gen now.

 

[Gtank]

I just switched up an order from 2836 to 3135 for a Sub and now reading this thread. I'm prepared to go the Yuki route, but second guessing myself again!


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[rcom440]

Woah! A Yuki movement is $600.00????

I think he means yuki for $400 + around $200 for service and installation. My watshmith charges $170.

But why would one do it if you can get newer version of sub or wait for JF Sub with SH memevent (yuki) for around $400 but I don't think those new JF Subs will be accurate.

 

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Woah! A Yuki movement is $600.00????

A serviced yuki is $400

 

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I just switched up an order from 2836 to 3135 for a Sub and now reading this thread. I'm prepared to go the Yuki route, but second guessing myself again!


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I think that was a good decision. But I would get the SA3135 serviced and hold off on the Yuki, you might not need it.

 

[maxracingshox]

SH3135 is cheaper than a gen 3135, dead on accurate in funcionality, it is a good movement from the start, reliable (once serviced) and it is upgradeable.
Etas are cheap to buy, service and repair, different in dimesnsions, the way they work, feel and sound, in most cases very difficult to upgrade to a 3135 movement and somewhat reliable if serviced. They are workhorses, face it
The SA3135 movements are cheaper than SH3135's, but inferior in every single aspect apart from accuracy probably. They can be modded to work reliable though.

I never had problems adjusting each of those movements to run extremely accurate, way within cosc spec.
Every movement has pros and cons, while the SH3135 movements definitely form a sweetspot in my opinion.
Every asian movement may or may not have trouble without proper service, please keep that in mind.

 

[Ssymes007]

A3135 is a 2836 made to look like a 3135. forget it!
SA3135 is a peice of crap.
SH3135 and Yuki3135 are the same and take 95% gen parts.
A2836/A2824/TC2824 is a copy of swiss ETA 2836 or ETA 2824. Asian clones and Swiss Etas are excellent but not perfect by any stretch.
The Yuki 3135 or SH 3135 can be serviced or purchased through Misiekped or Tickleshoes both brilliant watch smiths.
Lots of JF watches come with SH/Yuki 3135 keep the movement ditch the rest....well not always.

You need to read a lot and do research

Would a SH3135 movement fit into (or be able to be installed into) a noob v7 dssd with the correct size case (usually for a sa3135)?

 

[juniorr]

hi is there a dealer that will sell v7 noob hulk with sh3135 movement ?
the yuki option to me sounds the best but expensive and seems like its not something you can buy from a dealer out of the box ....

so the next best option would be the cheaper eta movement

please let me know if a dealer sells the jf movment in a noov v7

 

[rcom440]

hi is there a dealer that will sell v7 noob hulk with sh3135 movement ?
the yuki option to me sounds the best but expensive and seems like its not something you can buy from a dealer out of the box ....

so the next best option would be the cheaper eta movement

please let me know if a dealer sells the jf movment in a noov v7

Just to let you know I have 2 JF watches with SH31xx and I had countless problems with both of them while my noob Sub v7 with sa3135 runs great.
One of those SH31xx is still at the watchsmith waiting to get some parts.
In my opinion SH31xx movements are crap / only good thing is you can exchange some parts - not all.
People are raporting problems with those SH31xx movements.

 

[juniorr]

Just to let you know I have 2 JF watches with SH31xx and I had countless problems with both of them while my noob Sub v7 with sa3135 runs great.
One of those SH31xx is still at the watchsmith waiting to get some parts.
In my opinion SH31xx movements are crap / only good thing is you can exchange some parts - not all.
People are raporting problems with those SH31xx movements.

Hey man thanks for your experience

So it seems like the Swiss eta is the best option
I'm confused on why it's getting bashed ?...
From my understanding the Swiss eta is slightly cheaper than the sh3135 and way more reliable and works like oem sweep ect
But is noisier? ( anything can be done to resolve this draw back not that it's a very big issue at all )

And the clone is just as good ? If not better serviced tho

The only downside is that it's a MM or two bigger ( something no one will notice ?)

Also I got a bk sub c
What mods could easily be avoided via qc pics

Some people say the money is not worth it but now that i have one and understand a few things saving the money might be worth it or putting it into more mods ?

Bk currently does not do watch sales due to customs issues you will have to ship him the watch which is fine if you have it shipped to your self in the USA I'm in Canada so that doesn't work for me and buying a watch by other AD is only option for me


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Hey man thanks for your experience

So it seems like the Swiss eta is the best option
I'm confused on why it's getting bashed ?...
From my understanding the Swiss eta is slightly cheaper than the sh3135 and way more reliable and works like oem sweep ect
But is noisier? ( anything can be done to resolve this draw back not that it's a very big issue at all )

And the clone is just as good ? If not better serviced tho

The only downside is that it's a MM or two bigger ( something no one will notice ?)

Also I got a bk sub c
What mods could easily be avoided via qc pics

Some people say the money is not worth it but now that i have one and understand a few things saving the money might be worth it or putting it into more mods ?

Bk currently does not do watch sales due to customs issues you will have to ship him the watch which is fine if you have it shipped to your self in the USA I'm in Canada so that doesn't work for me and buying a watch by other AD is only option for me


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The SA3135 has the correct (Gen like) function- it set the time and date the same way as the Gen, the 2836 does not. The 2836 also does not have the correct stem height so the case is the wrong shape.
So it really depends in what you are going for. If you want it to be as close to a Gen as possible, get the SA3135. I have a SD4k with a SA3135 in it and it runs perfect, but I got it serviced as soon as I got it. If you get a Noob v7 SubC with a SA3135, you can get a Gen Datewheel and Crystal for it (and I also recommend Smoke's paint mod on the bezel) and you will have one dam close Rep, you could even go the extra mile and get a Gen 704 crown.
I also have a Sub with a Yuki in it and that runs great as well, but it was also fully serviced when I got it. So a service is highly recommended when new if you are going to keep the watch. Now you just have to decide what movement you want in it. I personally would not want a Rep that didn't function the same as a Gen, but that is just me. But do yourself a favor and have the watch no matter what movement is in it serviced when you get it.

 

[juniorr]

The SA3135 has the correct (Gen like) function- it set the time and date the same way as the Gen, the 2836 does not. The 2836 also does not have the correct stem height so the case is the wrong shape.
So it really depends in what you are going for. If you want it to be as close to a Gen as possible, get the SA3135. I have a SD4k with a SA3135 in it and it runs perfect, but I got it serviced as soon as I got it. If you get a Noob v7 SubC with a SA3135, you can get a Gen Datewheel and Crystal for it (and I also recommend Smoke's paint mod on the bezel) and you will have one dam close Rep, you could even go the extra mile and get a Gen 704 crown.
I also have a Sub with a Yuki in it and that runs great as well, but it was also fully serviced when I got it. So a service is highly recommended when new if you are going to keep the watch. Now you just have to decide what movement you want in it. I personally would not want a Rep that didn't function the same as a Gen, but that is just me. But do yourself a favor and have the watch no matter what movement is in it serviced when you get it.

Lol man I was convince the Swiss eta was the way to go but the more people give personal opinion the harder it gets lol

Just out of curiosity what does a service cost on a sa3135 movement ? With all those mods

And how long has it been without a problem ?

Also is there someone who can get all those mods done for you ?

Shipping I'm and out of the country is expensive and risky with duties so it would be ideal to get everything done at once place or at least for me in Canada ??

Thanks for your replies as well !
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Lol man I was convince the Swiss eta was the way to go but the more people give personal opinion the harder it gets lol

Just out of curiosity what does a service cost on a sa3135 movement ? With all those mods

And how long has it been without a problem ?

Also is there someone who can get all those mods done for you ?

Shipping I'm and out of the country is expensive and risky with duties so it would be ideal to get everything done at once place or at least for me in Canada ??

Thanks for your replies as well !
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I don't know who the modders are in Canada, I am sure they are some. Full service is probably about $150 I am guessing. I have so much stuff done at once my modder gives me a package deal. Here is a list of rough cost for parts-
Gen DW $125
Gen Crystal $325
Gen Crown $225
Smoke's PPM $40 or $50
The crown is really for the feel in your hands, I have Gens also so I like them to "feel" the same. Don't get me wrong, it can get expensive- but still a lot cheaper than the $8500 for the Gen. If you can swing it I would do the Noob SA3135, Gen Crystal, Gen DW, service and Smoke PPM. That will give you a watch that really looks like a Gen unless under magnification. The crystal is a huge tell on reps, you can spot a rep Crystal's blue hole effect from across the table, also the bezel is a big tell.
If you wanted a "budget" build that looked great and could only do a couple mods- service is a must, next in priority order is crystal, them Smoke's PPM. You can get away with leaving the noob DW and crown if you want to save money- I hear the crystal is getting better on the Noobs but Gen Crystal in my opinion is a must!

 

[korrion]

@FastPaced just to clarify for a newb, DW = date wheel and PPM = platinum paint mod right?

 

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@FastPaced just to clarify for a newb, DW = date wheel and PPM = platinum paint mod right?

Yes, sorry I should have put that.
I have Gens and Reps. Honestly I prefer to where my Reps. Mine have all been modded, but they feel just as good as my Gens. Also note I have had my SD4K with SA3135 for months and it keeps time just as good as my Gen.
When I was new on here I bought a BK Noob v7 with the 2836 (or 2824, can't remember) in it. I was not happy because every time I went to set the time on it, I had to set it backwards form how I set the time on my Gens. To me that just made it feel like a cheap knock off. I sold it and now I only buy reps that function like Gens. Just my 2 cent, but if you are
Looking for Rep to be as close to Gem as possible setting the time backwards just doesn't work for me.

 

[JackJ1980]

Also to clarify - eta 2836 is not the correct stem height. The much more commonly used 2824 is the correct stem height. So an eta is possible correct stem height. I personally would never buy an SA3135 as it's a modder eta clone anyway and it can't be repaired stateside. So you'll have to pay swap in a new movement someday anyway. The sh3135 makes sense as it can be repaired locally with gen parts, but those parts will cost more obviously than an eta. Closest to gen is sh3135. Workhorse is eta.

 

[FiliGelli]

I own only model with sa3135 because i like the gen like feeling when i charge or i set the time.
I have never had(cross the fingers) problems with these movement.
Anyway, i have 1 spare sa3135 for any issues.
I could only suggest that you should pay attention when set the date/time.
If you do that with carefull and smoot it's better...i saw a lot of guys that use the stem like a crazy dog!
I own 1 noob sub v7 sa3135, 1 sd4k noob sa3135, 1 noob yacht sa3135.
All of these are working fine and accurate.
I cronocompareted all and i could tell that amplitude is very good without beat errors.
Just my opinion.

 

[juniorr]

I don't know who the modders are in Canada, I am sure they are some. Full service is probably about $150 I am guessing. I have so much stuff done at once my modder gives me a package deal. Here is a list of rough cost for parts-
Gen DW $125
Gen Crystal $325
Gen Crown $225
Smoke's PPM $40 or $50
The crown is really for the feel in your hands, I have Gens also so I like them to "feel" the same. Don't get me wrong, it can get expensive- but still a lot cheaper than the $8500 for the Gen. If you can swing it I would do the Noob SA3135, Gen Crystal, Gen DW, service and Smoke PPM. That will give you a watch that really looks like a Gen unless under magnification. The crystal is a huge tell on reps, you can spot a rep Crystal's blue hole effect from across the table, also the bezel is a big tell.
If you wanted a "budget" build that looked great and could only do a couple mods- service is a must, next in priority order is crystal, them Smoke's PPM. You can get away with leaving the noob DW and crown if you want to save money- I hear the crystal is getting better on the Noobs but Gen Crystal in my opinion is a must!

Okay who is your modder and how fast can he mod a watch ?
Does he sell the watch him self or would I have to buy it and send it to him ?
I think I may take the plung and get a sa3135 serviced tho or a sh3135 depending on price
I have a bk Swiss eta already I guess I can compare the two

I would do the service mod
Gen crystal
And paint mod

The date wheel doesn't seem like it would make it feel more gen maybe look a bit more no
And the crown on the v7 is pre good too

Also they fixed the stem problem on the sa3135

And how much is a sa3135 or sh3135 serviced anyway I can always buy the whole movement again and have it installed no ?

And all the price you talked about was usd ?

I need this watch before mid August so on a bit of a time crunch than I'm off for holidays !

Will your modder do some of the same mods as bk and or can you guys help me with qc pics ?

Thanks again for all your advice guys


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