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Something about Blue dial PANERAI
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Your statement about the EoT being as useless and expensive as a tourbillon. It's so true. I love the model and it's look but the EoT feature is as useless as you can get but it still would be cool.
As far as the vintage build you mentioned, I love. I would love to see a 47mm in a 1950s case with a satin blue style dial, I think it would be great.
I'd love to see some pics of the concentric satin finish vs sunburst. But I agree. This would look great and have a ton of charm too because of its vintage feel and connections.
I wonder how Panerai decides to have the blue.. Sublnburst isn't the right word because it doesn't come from the center but has like a vertical finish like on the 082.
The 1021 where it's a Bucherer, I figured it was their dial. I'm not sure what happens. Does Panerai make a Bucherer model or do they sell a series to them and let them rework it?
I love the 082 and that one Pic of it on that distressed black gator looks awesome. I loved that strap. However the flaws always kept me from falling too hard for the rep but it is a nice looking watch still. .
But in general, this thread is great. I could look at and talk about thesr models all day long.
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Regarding the pam670, I think most of the functions of a wristwatch are relatively useless, especially when talking about serious complications. In my everyday life, I don't overlap so much with the owners of the gen 20k $ +, but I'm sure if I were in this social circle, then in its price category, the tourbillon is a typical thing, even if it is complex, valuable, expensive, but EoT is true infrequently. The essence of my thought is simply that for this money, I would like some individuality not only in design, but also in functionality, and if I choose from useless but cool things, I would just choose the most rarely encountered.
If we talk about pan1021, then I think Bucherer made only the design, but produced them panerai, like a special series for a good and famous seller. Anyway, Bucherer are sellers, I don't think they do anything themselves. They have a dozen of these unique models from different brands, in blue, including tudor, which is quite famous and has a rep. I think VSF should be bothered with making them, because there are only 188 pieces, and only Bucherer sold them, you couldn't buy them from AD.
About 082, I think that getting at least some would be a great achievement, this is the only rep with a vertically satiated blue dial, and in fact, there are not so many problems with this watch, but there is Swiss 6497, and it looks pretty good. So if there is an opportunity to buy, I would use it if I were you. This is part of the story of rep panerai.
If we talk about pan1021, then I think Bucherer made only the design, but produced them panerai, like a special series for a good and famous seller. Anyway, Bucherer are sellers, I don't think they do anything themselves. They have a dozen of these unique models from different brands, in blue, including tudor, which is quite famous and has a rep. I think VSF should be bothered with making them, because there are only 188 pieces, and only Bucherer sold them, you couldn't buy them from AD.
About 082, I think that getting at least some would be a great achievement, this is the only rep with a vertically satiated blue dial, and in fact, there are not so many problems with this watch, but there is Swiss 6497, and it looks pretty good. So if there is an opportunity to buy, I would use it if I were you. This is part of the story of rep panerai.
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This post is simply amazing. Thank you for taking the time to do this.
I spent all day going back and forth between ordering a 688 or a 1663.
Then I come on the forums to see this and am ogling over all the other blue dials.
Not sure if I should say thank you, or damn you. LOL !
I spent all day going back and forth between ordering a 688 or a 1663.
Then I come on the forums to see this and am ogling over all the other blue dials.
Not sure if I should say thank you, or damn you. LOL !
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I will return to the old post for the embarrassing reason that I missed another model besides the pam437 that was pointed out to me.
I wrote that №24: PAM093 with a blue satin-brushed dial with PR in a titanium case, the only PR bettarini in blue, but this is not:
№25. PAM207
- Case: luminor bettarini 44mm.
- Material: polished steel.
- Dial type: vertical satin finish.
- Year of issue: 2004
- Movement: OP.IX
- Description:
This is a limited edition for the Singapore boutique Sincere called Sinsere blue.
They were made in 2004, in a circulation of only 50 pieces, immediately after the end of production of pam093, which had not been on sale for a long time (2001-2004)
In general, this is the same, only the polished steel case makes them clearly brighter and more festive, compared to the matte titanium pam093.
It is also worth noting that unlike PAM093, which has minute stripes along the edge of the dial, by analogy with PAM090, which in turn received this from the "fathers" of PR PAM027 / 028/057.
The PAM0207 does not have these stripes, which makes it closer to the date models in terms of dial design.
This is a very limited and therefore relatively rare model, which directly affects its price, from what I have seen, in the secondary market it is twice as expensive as the PAM093, with approximately equal RP and design, just for different people tastes.
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REP:
Unfortunately, no one made this model, for the reasons that I described when talking about PAM093.
The main problem is the lack of a cheap rep movt., For the correct repetition of this function, and the production of not a typical and high-quality dial (only DSN made this texture on PAM082) in order to then glue a dummy hand PR, and not get a sale ...
An alternative way is to use a seagull, which has a button on the right side to set the date, which also immediately puts the rep into a low-level status.
Therefore, still DSN (which definitely made such dials, besides Rolli, who is too unique to consider his work in such articles), did only pam027 and pam057, and then using the Swiss ETA. And of course there was PAM028. But none of these models have a blue dial.
I must admit that VSF made the PAM1176 with a vertical satin-brushed dial, although the dial is black / gray, but judging by the photo in the thread of this model, it looks very good.
I really hope that this would be a direct way to make the blue version of pam1021, since the finish is clearly successful.
We are unlikely to see rep PR models on OP.IX but there are models based on in-house calibers with the PR function, and maybe someday we will see them. Nobody forbids dreaming.
And at that time I do state that there are now 70 models with a blue color of dial on this list (it will be significantly replenished soon) , and I apologize for not immediately reflecting this in the original post.
I wrote that №24: PAM093 with a blue satin-brushed dial with PR in a titanium case, the only PR bettarini in blue, but this is not:
№25. PAM207
- Case: luminor bettarini 44mm.
- Material: polished steel.
- Dial type: vertical satin finish.
- Year of issue: 2004
- Movement: OP.IX
- Description:
This is a limited edition for the Singapore boutique Sincere called Sinsere blue.
They were made in 2004, in a circulation of only 50 pieces, immediately after the end of production of pam093, which had not been on sale for a long time (2001-2004)
In general, this is the same, only the polished steel case makes them clearly brighter and more festive, compared to the matte titanium pam093.
It is also worth noting that unlike PAM093, which has minute stripes along the edge of the dial, by analogy with PAM090, which in turn received this from the "fathers" of PR PAM027 / 028/057.
The PAM0207 does not have these stripes, which makes it closer to the date models in terms of dial design.
This is a very limited and therefore relatively rare model, which directly affects its price, from what I have seen, in the secondary market it is twice as expensive as the PAM093, with approximately equal RP and design, just for different people tastes.
GEN:
REP:
Unfortunately, no one made this model, for the reasons that I described when talking about PAM093.
The main problem is the lack of a cheap rep movt., For the correct repetition of this function, and the production of not a typical and high-quality dial (only DSN made this texture on PAM082) in order to then glue a dummy hand PR, and not get a sale ...
An alternative way is to use a seagull, which has a button on the right side to set the date, which also immediately puts the rep into a low-level status.
Therefore, still DSN (which definitely made such dials, besides Rolli, who is too unique to consider his work in such articles), did only pam027 and pam057, and then using the Swiss ETA. And of course there was PAM028. But none of these models have a blue dial.
I must admit that VSF made the PAM1176 with a vertical satin-brushed dial, although the dial is black / gray, but judging by the photo in the thread of this model, it looks very good.
I really hope that this would be a direct way to make the blue version of pam1021, since the finish is clearly successful.
We are unlikely to see rep PR models on OP.IX but there are models based on in-house calibers with the PR function, and maybe someday we will see them. Nobody forbids dreaming.
And at that time I do state that there are now 70 models with a blue color of dial on this list (it will be significantly replenished soon) , and I apologize for not immediately reflecting this in the original post.
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Yes I agree on the DSN's, they just don't do it for me color and lume are both off.
The best I have seen is the Rolli 082 dial by far.
It is very close to the gen dial.
1st one is my Rolli 2nd is my franken 082
Poor lighting.
I don't have that watch anymore but believe me it is satin, striated and the correct color with the correct lume.
It is MUCH better than the DSN.
Finding one though is almost impossible.
I don't have that watch anymore but believe me it is satin, striated and the correct color with the correct lume.
It is MUCH better than the DSN.
Finding one though is almost impossible.
Thanks for clearing this up! Of course, I believe that you know what you are talking about, and it is a pity that there are no more images of this dial left...
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Well done KOT, fantastically informative post and amazing photos of these beautiful blue timepieces!
Thank you for your effort.
Thank you for your effort.
I have planned updates to the post at the end of the year, when all these new items with a blue dial will be released, of which there should be quite a lot this year.
Therefore, I will leave this as a separate message, and will include it in the general numbering later.
In the meantime, enjoy, 2 more models that I have not taken into account before. 2 models, and ... 2 watches.
PAM290
- Case: luminor 1950 44mm
- Material: Steel
- Dial type: sunbrust
- Year of release: 2006
- Movement: P.2002
- Description:
This is a unique (this word is not for the sake of attracting attention, but deservedly) edition of 2006, but not for a boutique, but for an auction house Sotheby's.
In fact, this is the most popular PAM233, but in a version with a blue dial and a circulation of ... 1/1.
It was sold in the same year for ~ 63k euros.
In general, especially for those who love truly unique things, you can try to look for one.
GEN:
REP:
There is no high-quality rep, like any other, with a transparent caseback for P.2002 / 1/2, but in In the abyss of DHgate have been fantasizing on the PAM233 theme with brown and blue sunburst dial, with ST2533.
This is not to say that this is what we are discussing here, but it is fair to admit that rep exists in one form or another.
PAM703
- Case: luminor 1950 new 47mm
- Material: Titanium
- Dial type: sunbrust
- Year of release: 2016
- Movement: P.2005
- Description:
After 10 years, the experience with the limited edition 1/1 was condoned, only this time for 130,000 euros.
It is analogous to the PAM972 in the engraved case, but also with the P.2005 tourbillon and blue sunbrust dial.
I saw this model on the website of one auction, but as far as I know, after production, this model went from the Istanbul boutique to its owner.
Perhaps a myth, perhaps not, but researching the history of the 1/1 watch can be pointlessly difficult, moreover, there won't be any rep with the tourbill, I'll just leave a couple of photos to enjoy.
GEN:
Therefore, I will leave this as a separate message, and will include it in the general numbering later.
In the meantime, enjoy, 2 more models that I have not taken into account before. 2 models, and ... 2 watches.
PAM290
- Case: luminor 1950 44mm
- Material: Steel
- Dial type: sunbrust
- Year of release: 2006
- Movement: P.2002
- Description:
This is a unique (this word is not for the sake of attracting attention, but deservedly) edition of 2006, but not for a boutique, but for an auction house Sotheby's.
In fact, this is the most popular PAM233, but in a version with a blue dial and a circulation of ... 1/1.
It was sold in the same year for ~ 63k euros.
In general, especially for those who love truly unique things, you can try to look for one.
GEN:
REP:
There is no high-quality rep, like any other, with a transparent caseback for P.2002 / 1/2, but in In the abyss of DHgate have been fantasizing on the PAM233 theme with brown and blue sunburst dial, with ST2533.
This is not to say that this is what we are discussing here, but it is fair to admit that rep exists in one form or another.
PAM703
- Case: luminor 1950 new 47mm
- Material: Titanium
- Dial type: sunbrust
- Year of release: 2016
- Movement: P.2005
- Description:
After 10 years, the experience with the limited edition 1/1 was condoned, only this time for 130,000 euros.
It is analogous to the PAM972 in the engraved case, but also with the P.2005 tourbillon and blue sunbrust dial.
I saw this model on the website of one auction, but as far as I know, after production, this model went from the Istanbul boutique to its owner.
Perhaps a myth, perhaps not, but researching the history of the 1/1 watch can be pointlessly difficult, moreover, there won't be any rep with the tourbill, I'll just leave a couple of photos to enjoy.
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...and unobtainable! Unless you put 4.3 million RUB and a bottle of Stolichnaya Elit on the table.
:lmao:
But 065 is not, apparently, someone has already drank Stolichnaya and became lighter by a couple of million.
By the way, this is no longer related to the theme of blue dials, but in this format PAM062 would be a more gentle solution.
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:lmao:
But 065 is not, apparently, someone has already drank Stolichnaya and became lighter by a couple of million.
By the way, this is no longer related to the theme of blue dials, but in this format PAM062 would be a more gentle solution.