Someone trying to pass a Little Hero watch as gen

[hooligan]

http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=221876

That sure looks like a LH dial and movement to me.

The two possible options are that someone really is trying to sell that watch to "bokchoy" for $2K, or, more likely, the watch already belongs to "bokchoy" and he was trying to see if anyone would call him out on it.

I hope that's not anyone from this forum trying to "trick" the gen guys. As good as our reps are getting, they are still a long way from the gen, as evidenced by that thread.

All I can say to the owner of that watch, whether you're just trying to trick some gen folks or if you're really trying to sell a modded rep for double the money you have invested in it -- NOT cool! :evil: :evil: :evil:

 

[Dizzy]

they sure told him!

lol

 

[Spirit]

...as I´m a Rolex guy, and know NOTHING to -50 about Panerais, I can´t say anything about it, but:
Do GENs Panerai use blue screws on their movements? Thought it would be a rep "dumb feature"

Sorry for the n00b question, I Just wanted to know from you experts since the accuracy is in question, and saw the opportunity to learn a little bit more about PAMs and reps =)

Cheers,
Spirit.

 

[trailboss99]

Not shure about Pams but some ETAs have blue screws.

This one for example.

Col.

 

[hooligan]

Some did, and some didn't. Here are two pics of the gen PAMs that I used to own. My D series 002 did have blue screws on the winding wheels, my I series 210 did not:

I series:

D series:

So, no blued screws on the winding gear is correct for a 111H and newer.

 

[OldeCrow]

the easiest tell is the screws, even from a distance you can see the Chinese screws since the genuine panerai screws are flat cut and all of the chinese stock has rounded top screws, don't have to look at anything else..

 

[frenzalrhomb]

That guy definately owns that watch and is testing on the Gen' owners. Glad to see him get shot down!

Also makes you wonder at the price LH charges for a complete watch. Isn't it around a thousand dollars? Whatever it's well out of my budget.

 

[drfcfighter]

yeah... he was just checking how well his LH was made, and to get WIS eye criticism. I would have said CG is a dead giveaway to begin with, let alone everything else. LH work is awesome, but at a $1000, I'd buy a used gen OMEGA or something, or buy 4 good reps. People are taking this thing too seriously IMO anymore.

 

[TA8088]

Yep that's a LH dial and mvt all the way.

 

[horologie_unitas]

its a pretty good rep.

i am amazed about the well done engraving of OP on the movement.

of course the mvmnt finish is - compared to the gen - very rough. one look with a 3x loupe.....tells every truth.

a nice rep ! i offer 450 !

 

[rogerwine]

If this 111 is a fake it definitely isn't a Little Hero rep. His placement on the L Swiss Made L is right on the money on his dials, along with font size and spacing. but more importantly he does not use stock Chinese parts on his screws and bridges. His machined blue screws are flat heads just like the gen and his bridge edge detail is polished and smoothed just like the finish for all the balance wheels and gears. He certainly has the adjustment marks for the swan neck adjustment. His amazing attention to detail on his totally re-worked movements is so much better then that,. There is no roughness on the bridges and gearing, including white gold finishing on the bridges. He even engraves the Cote De Geneve wave pattern to match the gen pattern. This guy has 13 years experience as a watch master. And personally he is as nice and humble as the day is long. So when you buy one of his top end works at $1000.00, imho it is a work of art and well worth the investment.
Rogerwine

 

[jv91]

what is a little hero rep? sorry for my noob question lol

 

[drfcfighter]

If this 111 is a fake it definitely isn't a Little Hero rep. His placement on the L Swiss Made L is right on the money on his dials, along with font size and spacing. but more importantly he does not use stock Chinese parts on his screws and bridges. His machined blue screws are flat heads just like the gen and his bridge edge detail is polished and smoothed just like the finish for all the balance wheels and gears. He certainly has the adjustment marks for the swan neck adjustment. His amazing attention to detail on his totally re-worked movements is so much better then that,. There is no roughness on the bridges and gearing, including white gold finishing on the bridges. He even engraves the Cote De Geneve wave pattern to match the gen pattern. This guy has 13 years experience as a watch master. And personally he is as nice and humble as the day is long. So when you buy one of his top end works at $1000.00, imho it is a work of art and well worth the investment.
Rogerwine

I agree that this guy has top quality craftsmanship. Anyway, I know you are a far more rep WIS than I am when it comes to PAMs. So, would you know who this work is from? Cuz, I'd give it higher rating than DSN and almost up there with LH if it's not LH. Hopefully something like this would be cheaper than LH price, then it would be fair game!

 

[drfcfighter]

what is a little hero rep? sorry for my noob question lol

Little Hero is a watchsmith/watchmaker in Korea; top notch work, but pretty expensive. Korean Won is pretty high for USD, unlike Chinese currency, which makes it less workable for rep collectors. For an example, McDonald's combo meal is about $9 USD.

 

[daytona4me]

LH prices are insane.. yeah.. it is better than the standard $100 panerai.. but still.. it's not 1:1 and it's not a genuine watch... it's still a rep.

Good eye..

 

[drfcfighter]

yeah, and the fact that the engine is stock Asian base also makes it less compelling for purchase. I too think paying 25% of a gen price for an Asian rep is completely bonkers, but gotta admit that the guy's work is ridiculously good. I could totally see someone like him spending money on a hobby to see how much one can push the envelope with his craftsmanship, but business wise, I'd do what Tourby does with that kinda talent, i.e., make my own watch and sell on ebay and the forums.

 

[rogerwine]

Come on, highly modded 196 0r 188 with Swiss 7753 will sell for $1100.00 +PLUS, or franken Breitling SA for $1000.00 plus or early Pam 029 w/soprad movement (easily $700.00 to $1100.00), at least on RWG and RG. And they are not "1:1" either, one way or another. A highly Ziggified watch will also reach those prices. This is no way unheard of. To each his own on what you are willing to pay for a rep, but sometimes exceptional workmanship can produce something that can be highly sought after and give a lot of pride of ownership. I paid over $300.00 for a OEM fiddy strap and buckle for my Fiddy rep. Many would think someone is crazy for that, but it was worth it to me "as a finished package". I have a good bonus coming up in 3 weeks and if it's as good as I think its going to be, then I'm going to pop for a Little hero 111H. Why?, because I am blown away by his attention to detail. The work on the movement is just amazing. If you paid independently for all of the "upgrades that he provides, you would easily be above $1000.00. I've been around too long not to know that, so he is providing the complete package for a reasonable return for his "labors". I would also argue that what you get after he finishes polishing and beveling , re-jeweling and reassembling the "Asian" movements he uses that they are easily as good if not better then the original swiss movement. We have all read about how good the new hi-beat Asian 6497's movements are.
Rogerwine

 

[drfcfighter]

RW, I agree w/ u regarding his craftsmanship, but even he said it himself, "I use Asian base calibers as they look closer to the gen 6497-2" I agree, but the bottom line is that this is still an Asian base engine, and I don't know if it warrants a grand. The ziggified stuff and alike go for about that much due to Swiss 7750 movements, etc., and I can see that given that the Swiss 7750's nowadays average $500+. To each his own I guess, and if you get LH's 111, we all may say some smack, but yeah, we all will be jealous as well. :twisted: :wink: Eitherway, for a grand, I'd get a gen 7750 based something, Doxa, or a Sinn. Again, to each his own. I like PAMs but I'm not super crazy about 'em.

 

[jv91]

what is a little hero rep? sorry for my noob question lol

Little Hero is a watchsmith/watchmaker in Korea; top notch work, but pretty expensive. Korean Won is pretty high for USD, unlike Chinese currency, which makes it less workable for rep collectors. For an example, McDonald's combo meal is about $9 USD.

o ok thanks for the info

 

[rogerwine]

RW, I agree w/ u regarding his craftsmanship, but even he said it himself, "I use Asian base calibers as they look closer to the gen 6497-2" I agree, but the bottom line is that this is still an Asian base engine, and I don't know if it warrants a grand. The ziggified stuff and alike go for about that much due to Swiss 7750 movements, etc., and I can see that given that the Swiss 7750's nowadays average $500+. To each his own I guess, and if you get LH's 111, we all may say some smack, but yeah, we all will be jealous as well. :twisted: :wink: Eitherway, for a grand, I'd get a gen 7750 based something, Doxa, or a Sinn. Again, to each his own. I like PAMs but I'm not super crazy about 'em.

Well yes, and most of the $1000.0 plus watches i mentioned just happen to be Pams. So there is that Pam craziness that is beyond rationalization, LOL. What did I do, just loose my mind, $1000.00 for a 111H rep. That sucker better be perfect, LOL, LOL!! Hell I just enjoy the debate.
Well I'm going to pick up my Fiddy's out of the sand box now, and take them home, so you guys can't play with them anymore, HA HA
Rogerwine