should i buy from this site?

[mbjoer]

Handshake

 

[trailboss99]

Hey MJ, I think I know where you got that. You're right, she's one hell of a dealer.

I can see where Hools is coming from with outright scam dealers tho I prefer the method used up untill recently of leaving the URL as long as it wasn't in the title and adding a caveat directly below the URL. Mind you that's just the freedom of speach advocate in me talking

What would alarm me is if a long term member's post along the lines of "Hey guys I found this dealer and he/she is great!" were censored. I don't think that would happen however. At least I hope not. MJ is right new blood is important, dealers come and dealers go so new ones are needed if for no other reason than to keep the old ones on their toes. We just added our first five on board dealers at 1.1, all are proven dealers but all but one are totaly new to the fora scene and at least one of them no one outside 1.1 would ever have heard of. RWG2 is about to go live with a brand new dealer too, or so I'm told. No one, and I mean NO ONE will have ever heard of this fella but I think he's gunna be great.

Any ways, it's the admin's sandbox so the rules are up to them. There are less rules here than at most rep fora.



Col.

 

[R2D4]

TB, I agree. I want to learn from others experiences. I would only state that I don't want anyone to get burned but I do want to mention it's a bigger risk. We do have a job to cull out spam and sometimes the only way to do this by one's judgment. If you keep posting the same thing over and over, spam is the first thing that comes to mind and you have to act fast on it.

AH, Thanks, I like the way you worded this.

Anyway what was the site? Post it like this XXX . redhot replicas .com (Warning Not an RWI approved dealer) :wink:

 

[replica80]

I'm having a little trouble seeing the problem here, perhaps I'm a bit slow

In the dealer-section there are many great and safe dealers, I've jused a couple myself and it's working very good. Good prices, good communication and good selection. Now, surely this is a good thing for us all.

On the other hand, there is nothing wrong with wanting to try others means of getting your 'replica-fix'. Google is a place to start, and finding sites that sell replicas shouldn't be more difficult than to find sand on a beach. This at your own risk and benefit.

Now, to come here and ask if this and thas site are any good is fair. But it should come as no surprise that the answer to that question isn't: "Sure, I've never heard of this site. It looks overprice, has pics of gens and use 'replica-sci-fi-language'. But you go and try it and get back to us when you may or may not get ripped off"

That wouldn't be very nice, would it?

The people in here are trying to help us NOT doing the same mistakes they have done, and I think that's a good thing. So don't mistake good advice for sensorship and arrogance...

 

[hk45ca]

I'm sorry , but in my opinion this thread highlights a serious flaw in the the operation of this forum.
It is in everybody's interest that dealers, outside the small secluded circle of currently approved here, are investigated and scrutinised.

Having recently tried and failed to get a specific Breguet watch from Timesshop and Hont, I managed to track down the best dealer I have used so far who not only managed to get the watch but did so with superb communication (far better then thw two I mentioned here) and at a lower price than the same two had quoted. But this great dealer will remain my little secret because of the attitudes demonstrated above.

The existing dealers are not the only good ones, nor are they totally perfect.
To get more competition can only be a good thing.
Sure there are lots of scammers out there. Sure this forum should only recommend dealers after careful vetting.
But to censor a thread and delete a name??? Are you my nanny??

I can fully accept that you - rightly - make it clear that the dealer in question is not recommended here. But in addition it would be in our interests if we were informed about possible alternatives.

you have never seen me do what you have mentioned. as i stated in the post right above yours everyone has the right to buy from who ever they like. if they have a good experience they should come back and do a review.

ps, ruby has sold many of the watches you bought, if you couldn't find it here you didn't look hard enough.

 

[mbjoer]

About Ruby:
Because I shop around.
I actually did contact her as she shows the watch I referred to on her website. Just did not bother to add this to my already long posting.
But she would not guarantee that she could get it before I paid for it and her price was considerably higher than what I ended up paying.
The dealer from whom I bought it provided pictures before I paid, more pictures before it was shipped, follow up on shipment's progress, excellent English - And a much lower price!
Dealers are not nessecerily scammers if they do not feature here. Many - perhaps most - are. But not all.

 

[hk45ca]

she wouldn't guaranty she could get it before you paid? are you saying she wasn't going to refund your money if she couldn't get it? how much was your watch shipped and what movement is in it?

 

[mbjoer]

she wouldn't guaranty she could get it before you paid? are you saying she wasn't going to refund your money if she couldn't get it? how much was your watch shipped and what movement is in it?

No that was never her implication. I am sure she would have done so, as Hont did (Mark needed some discussion before he did as well).
But having paid twice already - and not received the watch - I was not in the mood to send money again, unless I felt absolutely certain that I would get what I asked for. There are costs associated to these transactions that never get re-imbursed and it can take quite some time and effort to get a refund.
Hence I did not go with Ruby.

 

[hk45ca]

well, all i can tell you is if you or anybody else has a dealer they like and feel should be here they should notify a member of the staff and give them the details.

you still didn't say what movement your watch has, how much it was shipped, if it was a guaranteed delivery though customs, what the warranty consists of and if you have had to use it for lost/seized or faulty items.

 

[guanaco]

We do need individuals to stick their necks out and try other dealers. Let them burn their fingers on our behalf. You have nothing to loose, even if they come back and cry.

I think this is the very reason we should not allow "untested" or "unknown" sites to remain posted here. I would not advocate that someone new to the rep hobby be the one to try an unknown site and get ripped off "on our behalf". It should be just the opposite. A "newb" or "noob" should be directed to the trusted dealers. Let them have a good chance a getting a good watch. It is the seasoned collector that should be the one testing the unknown waters.

(I am not implying that you advocate the "burining of noobs", mbjoer.....just stating my thoughts on why unknown sites should be removed from posts.)

Exactly, no one is burning noobs here. I removed the site because It's the third time he points out to the same TYPE of scam site [uses gen pics, mentions solid platinum or gold on their reps aka misleading info, overpriced crap, etc]. New members might feel adventurous/more confident and buy there, why would we want them getting scammed? Unfortunately not all dealers on the net are trustworthy, but the rep forums have their own dealers to counter this scam infested hobby, we don't remove sites unless necessary, if you haven't noticed there's a part of the forum called "scam sites/scam seller":

viewforum.php?f=48

Or Fakey's scam dealer list. If we were to censor that part of the forum wouldn't exist. I removed the site because it was for the best interest of the forum IMO, it was a scam site, and no good dealing could be had there, so why mourn over that? Add that to the fact that the dealers can offer you any possible rep that exists as long as it isn't discontinued, at a good price, with good communication, the support of the forum behind them [i.e. Admins/mods can help you if something goes wrong] and the fact that you KNOW you're getting what you ordered... and I"m still wondering why people want to stray from the trusted dealer on the rep forums.

The Jandrew issue being different, they were removed as dealers here due to their actions, and RWI as always, is working towards the best interest of the members, so it wasn't something that was randomly pulled out of a hat, reasons exist and they're explicitly posted on the forum. I think people should respect the fact Jandrew are no longer welcome here, this of course is IMO.

So, that being said, instead of feeling offended you should be feeling glad to the fact we protect fellow members, we remove dangerous sites, scam sites [specially if we suspect spam is going on, like in this case], spammers/scammers as soon as we see them, etc. The people who want to become dealers have to contact the admins, it's that simple. If you want to try a new dealer outside the forums and then report it back it's YOUR choice, who you buy from is up to you, we as a forum are here to guide you and advice you. Why? Because we don't want you or anyone getting scammed.

 

[RT]

Is there a good REP site for Chill Pills? I think he should take the plunge and let us know the results. Nothing ventured? This sounds like a Monday.

 

[mbjoer]

well, all i can tell you is if you or anybody else has a dealer they like and feel should be here they should notify a member of the staff and give them the details.

you still didn't say what movement your watch has, how much it was shipped, if it was a guaranteed delivery though customs, what the warranty consists of and if you have had to use it for lost/seized or faulty items.

Glad that you can confirm that you are open to suggestions. That is what I would like to think is the case here.

I am not suggesting that this dealer be approved for recommendation on this forum. So far I have only had one transaction.

But I do suggest that attacks are toned down when non-recommended sites/dealers are mentioned. Because it could well be that other members have had similar good experiences and when several of us can confirm several positive transactions it might be time to look into a recommendation. That we would only find out if members are encouraged to share experiences (good and bad) here.


I direct response to the Breguet, it has the Lemania or Seagull ST19 Chronograph movement (I can't tell the difference). Price $180 landed in the UK.
I have not looked into the smallprint in detail, but no doubt you would do so before approving a new dealer.

 

[hooligan]

...But I do suggest that attacks are toned down when non-recommended sites/dealers are mentioned. Because it could well be that other members have had similar good experiences and when several of us can confirm several positive transactions it might be time to look into a recommendation. That we would only find out if members are encouraged to share experiences (good and bad) here...

Attacks? What attacks? The only time I've seen anyone get flames is when they repeatedly link to obvious scam sites and ask "Is this dealer legit?".

 

[guanaco]

But I do suggest that attacks are toned down when non-recommended sites/dealers are mentioned. Because it could well be that other members have had similar good experiences and when several of us can confirm several positive transactions it might be time to look into a recommendation. That we would only find out if members are encouraged to share experiences (good and bad) here.

No one is attacking anyone here or anywhere. If you see something in big bold letters it's to make you notice the EDIT, an attack would come along the lines of offensive language or threats.

 

[Spiccato]

Hi again mbj....

It ALWAYS comes back on the admins and mods on this board.
There is always blame and fingerpointing.

In my profession, the buck stops with me regardless if I actively did anything. No, the people here won't sue each other, but the imagined harm will come back on the folks who
built this board. Since the buck (here) stops with them they still have every right to
remove links to sites that have not proven themselves. Sorry, but I agree with that.
I'm also sorry you were offended by being edited. That would probably get me, too.

So, again.... ......get the piece, post the wristshot. Maybe when someone says "that's a cool watch" you can tell them, "yeah, it's watch-paroxysm.com"
or wherever it was. That would work!

Once again, cheers.

 

[Cloudhopper]

@guanaco
nope, no offense intended and none taken anyway.
I was just bored senseless at the airport and wanted to have a look myself, thats all.

Site he asked about was shite anyway and made me laugh

 

[hk45ca]

well, all i can tell you is if you or anybody else has a dealer they like and feel should be here they should notify a member of the staff and give them the details.

you still didn't say what movement your watch has, how much it was shipped, if it was a guaranteed delivery though customs, what the warranty consists of and if you have had to use it for lost/seized or faulty items.

Glad that you can confirm that you are open to suggestions. That is what I would like to think is the case here.

I am not suggesting that this dealer be approved for recommendation on this forum. So far I have only had one transaction.

But I do suggest that attacks are toned down when non-recommended sites/dealers are mentioned. Because it could well be that other members have had similar good experiences and when several of us can confirm several positive transactions it might be time to look into a recommendation. That we would only find out if members are encouraged to share experiences (good and bad) here.


I direct response to the Breguet, it has the Lemania or Seagull ST19 Chronograph movement (I can't tell the difference). Price $180 landed in the UK.
I have not looked into the smallprint in detail, but no doubt you would do so before approving a new dealer.

we have always been open to new dealers since i have been on the staff here. here's the problem, we get this type of question every week.
http://replica-watch.info/forum/viewtop ... 27&t=58174
and as of right now we have,
In total there are 852 users online :: 373 registered, 19 hidden and 460 guests (based on users active over the past 45 minutes)
Most users ever online was 1368 on Mon Aug 03, 2009 4:32 pm

now, those 460 guests have no idea about how this hobby works and most of them don't care, they are just looking for that swiss made rolex replica. they have found this forum and take for granted any dealer they see listed here is good to go. for obvious reasons we can't leave links to dealers unknown to us where these people can click on them. if they see it here they automatically think we have checked them out. right, wrong or indifferent that is how it works. these forums exist to give people a safe haven from less than honest people.

you saved 19.00 to use a dealer that you have no real experience with when it comes to replacing a lost or seized shipment or how they respond to a malfunctioning watch. that's great, you took the chance and it worked out for you. the dealer might be better than anybody we have here but the fact is we don't know and it cannot be perceived that we do.

anybody that has a dealer providing good product for a better price than our current dealers offer let one of us know the details, i can assure you we will check them out. you can ask anybody that knows me, i think all the dealers charge way too much money for what we buy. for christ's sake i can buy a goddamn kidney in china for 5,000.00, a rep watch don't cost shit.

are we your nanny? we are to the newbies until they get to where they can navigate these shark infested waters by them selves. most of them have already been screwed to death. for the members that have been around the block a time or two they know what signs to look for and when to run away, they don't need us for that.

 

[R2D4]

Is this conversation still going?

Mb is just trying to say there has been a rise in "ShamPOW" lately with the "has anyone tried?" type posts. I hear you mb, I have noticed it too.

Ladies and Gents, don't take it personally, your voice has been heard. Let's move on to something else that is a little more productive. K? Please?