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Servicing a Yuki 3135 (How & Why)

Tickleshoes

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Hey everyone. I figured since I’ve posted a few serviced Yukis for sale, some people might be interested to see what goes into a service and why Yuki suggests one. Sure, there are plenty of pictorials and videos of a gen 3135 being serviced – this isn’t so much a tutorial, but rather a walkthrough of what I do and why it's a good idea to get a service.

So here we go with the latest:

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Performance as it shipped. You can see the amplitude (the amount the balance swings, measured in degrees) is pretty low, there is a slight beat error (it swings to one side slightly more than the other) and it’s unacceptably fast.

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Now – you could certainly get one, throw it in a watch, regulate it and be on your way. I’m sure that most of them would perform just as well as any Asian clone you’d get from the rep factories – for years even. But as I said early, Yuki recommend the Y3135 be serviced because the factories are dirty. You might think “oh, they’re overblowing it” to cover themselves. What follows are some photos showing why they’re not kidding. (PS – This isn’t meant to “shame” them or call them out for inferior QC/craftsmanship. I LOVE this movement and they’ve worked with me to resolve any show-stopping issues I’ve uncovered. But some do come pretty dirty, so I wanted to show exactly what that looks like)

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Uh-oh… those look like water spots on the barrel…
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Aaaand, surface rust under the barrel
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Those are some grimy keyless works!
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Now on to the cleaning. Everything gets stripped down including the spring from the barrel. Even the cap jewel for the balance comes off!
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And here it is! Everything in a Yuki 3135. All the parts on the left go through the cleaning machine. The parts on the right are put through separately as they’re either too fragile (hairspring/balance, pallet fork, jewels) or not at all (painted wheels, springs, etc.)
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Now everything gets packed nice and neatly into the cleaning baskets
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I’d started out using an ultrasonic, but it just didn’t clean like my L&R Mastermatic and you still had to dry the parts somehow. This one machine does everything! The little basket hooks in, you swing it around, drop in cleaning jar and let it run for a few minutes. It automatically reverses direction every few seconds creating a nice agitation. Then you lift it out, spin off the excess liquid and drop it into rinse #1. There should be a 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] jar for rinse #2 but it broke during delivery and I haven’t gotten a replacement yet. No matter – I haven’t put enough movements through to need a second rinse yet anyway. After that you drop it in that tube on the left where a heater sits and spin it in there for a while drying the parts with hot air. It’s fantastic.

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Nice clean parts:

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$100 worth of tools JUST to put the barrel back together ;)
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And now some pictures of the movement going back together clean. I tried to get similar shots so you could see the difference. No more rust on the main plate:
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Now that is some clean stuff!
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Once cleaned it really shines!
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All done!
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Now comes the hard part - This is where a lot of time can be spent because the main difference between the Yuki and a real Calibre 3135 is the balance setup. A Rolex uses an unsprung balance setup meaning the length of the spring is fixed and the rate is adjusted using screws on the balance wheel itself. The Yuki uses a regulated setup meaning there is a lever to adjust the length of the spring and one to adjust the rate. ETA movement have nice tools to regulate/adjust the movement. The Yuki? Not so much...

Here is the movement put back together after cleaning: Much better amplitude but the beat error is still there and the rate is off:
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Here are the pins that need to be adjusted. The red arrow shows the rate adjustment lever and the blue arrow shows how to adjust for beat error. The issue is that there are no special tools for this setup so I just use carbon fiber tweezers and do it by hand. If you can see it move, you've moved it WAY too much. If you can feel it move you've still moved it too much :)

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That's about it! Once I get the timing dialed in, it's ready to be installed! As I said, the adjustment is tricky and very sensitive. It's likely that once installed it would need a bit of regulation again. Even movements from watch supply stores that I've bought have needed tweaking once in a case. Even so, the Yuki provides the most gen Rolex look and feel from a movement perspective. Hope this helps demonstrate why it's a good idea to have it serviced!

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Thanks bro for sharing, love that old school Mastermatic machine :thumbup:
Also, this really shows how service is required to get a top notch result from the Yuki´s [MENTION=110978]Tickleshoes[/MENTION]
 

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looks great bro,think i will get a good yuki:thumbup:
 

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Wow this is great bro !

Was talking to OCCB about the yuki, I want to get rid off the SA3135 in my YM and go down the yuki road..

Subscribed! Please keep us updated :callme:
 

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Great Review!
 

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Great info! How much should one calculate to spend on serviced yuki?
 

Tickleshoes

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Great info! How much should one calculate to spend on serviced yuki?
It all depends. I can't be certain how much watchsmiths here would charge, but an established one is likely in the $150-$200 range. That might also include installation if they were doing a full build for you. Yuki used to charge $345 per movement but now the site is showing $385 and out of stock, so I'm not sure what's going on. (they also charge me $35 shipping too) I've always just charged $430 for the serviced movement (plus shipping at cost).
 

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Does the 3135 balance bridge and balance drop in to allow regulation in the normal Rolex manner with the micro screws?

if so, I may send you some 3135 parts and have you put together a franken serviced movement for me. I'll probably go with a gen barrel assembly as well. Any other parts you would suggest replacing with gen at that time?
 
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Great info! How much should one calculate to spend on serviced yuki?
Easy, movement + service + (needed) gen parts + shipping: $850 and upwards, expect to pay more, not less, if You find the movement and the gen parts. They have been very procured lately for the V6s builds.
 

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Does the 3135 balance bridge and balance drop in to allow regulation in the normal Rolex manner with the micro screws?

if so, I may send you some 3135 parts and have you put together a franken serviced movement for me. I'll probably go with a gen barrel assembly as well. Any other parts you would suggest replacing with gen at that time?

Unfortunately no. That's the one part that doesn't swap. Most of the parts that are recommended to replace are related to the date change system.
 

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Easy, movement + service + (needed) gen parts + shipping: $850 and upwards, expect to pay more, not less, if You find the movement and the gen parts. They have been very procured lately for the V6s builds.

That's about right if you want the gen parts. I'd personally wouldn't say they're "needed." Sure they're better but I'd rather get some miles out of the existing parts and replace them as they break before I spend the $$ on gen parts. To each his own!
 
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That's about right if you want the gen parts. I'd personally wouldn't say they're "needed." Sure they're better but I'd rather get some miles out of the existing parts and replace them as they break before I spend the $$ on gen parts. To each his own!
Thanks for the info, You´re the specialist, - and this is a great pictorial You´ve put together, first complete one of it´s kind I see on the Yuki and it helps to better understand it. Big thanks, didn´t have time to go through the thread and pics the first time around and just triggered a fast response. Within the USA it´s also much easier to ship back and fourth if something additional is needed, it´s rather complicated if You´re in the EU.
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Tickleshoes

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Well in that case, for my money is just get a complete gen movement. Not a huge gap there.

What are you pricing a gen at? Lowest I've seen is $1.5k-$1.7k. And like any true luxury item it's a bitch to work on, parts/service are expensive and no AD will take the work while its in a rep watch. Kinda like a kit car vs the real thing. Anyone can work on a fiero, but I'd never put my wrenches to a real Ferrari.

Ps. If you do find a gen 3135 for a little more than a fully serviced/modded Yuki please PM me :D
 

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Servicing a Yuki 3135 (How & Why)

What are you pricing a gen at? Lowest I've seen is $1.5k-$1.7k.

Agree. Also Chances are that the cheaper ones ($1500-1700) will require a +$500 service, within a few weeks/months (been there, done that).