Selling reps on the board

[thelawnmowerman]

Just a quick rant
What is it lately with people trying to sell their reps for the same price as their avialable from our dealers, were seeing it more and more, and I cant understand ANY member who would buy into this , you dont get any guarantee, Ok so you only get a minimal one from the dealers but its there all the same, some of them are dearer than they are from some of our other dealers.
Surely it like when you buy a new car or motorbike you can get it delivered to your house, and it sould sit on the drive for a week/ month, but it aint worth the same as you paid for it , the only thing in its favour is that the watches in question are very often in the same country as the buyer is , so there is less of a customs risk, but we have dealers who will take this customs risk. so that blows a hole in that one, surely your better of trying out a new dealer to get a brand new watch from someone who will take customs risk, than a second hand one with no warranty from a member at the same or higher price.
I posted this here rather than thread crap on someones sale etc,

Rant over

 

[Mike00GT]

Simple.

1. No customs risk.
2. Dealing with an established member of the form, not some foreigner half a world away.
3. Watch has usually been checked for obvious faults, less chance of DOA....

 

[swissaddict]

Customs risk is irrelevant since our trusted dealers will re-send in the case of seizure.

Dealing with "some foreigner" (offensive term used like that, btw) can be plenty safe-- that's why we have "trusted dealers"... and most are much more established than the average forum member.

Less chance of DOA or faults with a watch from a forum member.. that is true. Good dealers will fix or replace problems anyway, but there is a return shipping cost. So better quality control is *likely* when dealing with forum members.

It bugs me, too, when members ask as much or more than dealers for used watches. Especially when they throw around what Josh charges for it, plus shipping.. when they themselves got it for less from another dealer or a member. Even when they ask slightly less, it's like.. come on man, there's no warranty or after-sales service.. don't be so damn greedy. At least drop 10 or 15% below the lowest dealer price.

 

[RWIGWH]

Why should members of our community have to play by different rules then our "trusted" dealers? Look I know their are great dealers here, Stan, Narkiaa, and so forth, but this mother F'in crap with this gen 1:1 shite has got to stop. It's a lie, and if we all continue to let go on and promote it, we in turn are the same.

 

[fakemaster]

Mike! Glad to see you around!

Like Mike said. Some people prefer to deal with people that they know. Some don't want to deal with Customs. Some want the QC. Some prefer to deal with people who's first language is English. That's the great thing about this forum. There's a flavor for everyone.

 

[Mike00GT]

Customs risk is irrelevant since our trusted dealers will re-send in the case of seizure.

Only if time and hassle means nothing to you. For me TIME=MONEY! The longest I have had to wait for a watch that was in CONUS was 3 DAYS....

Dealing with "some foreigner" (offensive term used like that, btw)

Why thank you for the (total BS) info there Dr. PC. Personaly I do not find it offensive, it is not their fault they weren't born in the USA. Now if I had said some DAMN foreigner, I might agree...

 

[Dizzy]

i dont think a second hand watch should be sold for the cost of a new one.. if you buy a used rep... and it dies a month later.. whos covering the warranty? i wouldnt buy a rep second hand unless it was a good "deal"... like say a $350 rep for $300

modded reps are a different story. If a rep is modded then things change and you have to factor in labour and parts...

If you want your watch to sell then price it fairly.. if you want to bump it 50,000 times then maybe your price it too high

 

[KBH]

This bothers me too. I can't understand why a used watch can be anywhere near the same as new. Last for sale watch I was interested was $30 higher than our dealer's current price including shipping. When I brought this up to the seller, he took huge offense to me asking. The amazing thing is somebody actually bought it the next day.

Come on guys, you buy something and wear it a few times, it's USED.

 

[boo]

People get a false sense of security from people having supposedly already done QC. Take for example this liar on RG/RWG.

http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=31831

He shows off his new BCE on RG, but someone points out that the "30" on the 6 o'clock bezel tab is way off center. He acknowledges that he missed it and states his intentions to get another one. I would have thought he would have returned it to the dealer. Instead...

http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showtopic=81419

He's now listing it on RWG. He claims he's selling it because now he wants a black with white subdials and of course states "...And I haved done the QC for you". He missed the flaw, so he's hoping that his buyer will also.

Any by the way, his asking price due to his "QC" is $310....

 

[thelawnmowerman]

My point exactly, but if some numpty is willing to pay it then people will keep trying to sell them at an over inflated price.
so its up to you guys not to pay it , if its been bought from a dealer and they are selling it on, then its second hand, I've also come to the conclusion that some people order 2 of a certain type of watch that they are after so they can pick the best one out and pass the crap on to someone else, with the lame excuse that ''I ordered it for a friend who changed his mind'', yeah right!, makes me laugh that one.
Stop paying it guys and these chancers will stop trying to make a buck out of it.

 

[2poor4real1z]

This is my view. If the watch shows any signs of wear, then it shouldn't be the full price. If not, then I see no reason why not. Secondly its just like the fact that the dealers are charging HUGE prices for some reps. They (anyone selling) will charge whatever people will pay. It's that simple. If we will pay $550 of a HBB then they will charge $500 for a HBB and fellow forum members will try to recoup as much of that as possible when selling it. If someone pays them that much, then its legitimate. Personally I can't believe the prices we pay! I thought that they were reasonable because I was under the illusion that the quality of the watch was worth it. HA! NO thats not the case at all. I have not bought a single NEW from dealer watch yet that doesn't have some sort of basic movement problem (except from WBK). D4M is finally taking a stand, although this forum might be the minority in the rep hobby so not sure how effective it can be. But I am with him. It has gotten WAY outta hand!

 

[RWIGWH]

I have been so00o tempted to buy some of the new outrageously priced reps. Lucky for me I have the Chinese disease, Lo-funs. I love watches, I love replica watches. I cannot bring myself to pay 300+ bux for what I know is a POS. No matter how good it looks. So for now I am stuck in 21J heaven. And somehow still happy.

 

[donkelhighway]

My 1st rep watch deal came when they started the (swiss made) several years ago. I paid major bucks to either TT for a SS sub, was it accurate? Don't know didn't know enought to pick the flaws. The lasted for 3 years of every day wear, no problems. Then checked back again and the prices had dropped and bought another. Had it one week looked down and the bezel was gone. Sooo, I love the reps but also have no false expectations that they have the quality of the real thing. But a fun hobbby and look forward to making friends here and learning and buying when a good deal pops up.

 

[R2D4]

These are all valid points some I agree with and some I don't. One fact I would like to point out is you have a choice. These depreciate. It is not cool to sell a new watch that you don't like for more than you paid for the going rate on a common model. Emphasis is on going rate of a common model. Not a one up, modded or closed factory model that is rare.

In most cases it just too much of fine line to enforce by admin. I am of the addage of helping the seller come down to reality by PMing the seller and saying hey bubby Ruby has that watch for 200 and your are selling it at 275. There is no difference that I can see. Could you sell me on the higher price by comparing the 2 more publically, otherwise you look like an opportunist. Bottom line we see who is helping out our fellow Darksidian and who is the opportunist. Carma and reputation can come back and bite you in the arse or give you respect.

Great post and valid concerns, this should be a reminder to all to help each other out and not take advantage of a fellow member.

 

[swissaddict]

Why thank you for the (total BS) info there Dr. PC.

I don't think I was rude to you, and I'd prefer if you weren't rude to me. Thanks.

 

[thelawnmowerman]

@R2D4
Maybe someone should start PMing right away, theres some real bargains to be had in our for sale section right now, not :shock: :roll: , our members could save themselves less than $40 on a Tag, thats assuming you compare it with Josty.
Me thinks he'll be bumping for a long time at that price, by the way did you notice I didnt thread crap on it,LOL

 

[cybee]

If someone has a watch to sell they can ask ANYTHING they want for it.

If not then next step is obvious...BAN all members who sell with over-inflated prices. :roll:

 

[narikaa]

I grew up in an environment where the rule of thumb was always Secondhand = 'half bats' (50% of retail price), stolen = 'thirds' (30% of retail price).

The advent of FeeBay et all have uplifted buyer's expectations to those of corners of the planet that see inflated values in used goods.

But c'mon some of the prices we see 2nd hand reps (often even with declared defects & problems) being offered at on the fora (%ages at over 100% retail) are just laughable.



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[TA8088]

Yes they are over-inflated at times. My favorite that I've seen on more than a few occasions is when somebody lists something at a fairly high price and quotes the higher priced dealers for the "new" price at times I guess implying that's where they got it and you go back and read over thier posts from a month or two earlier and see that they in fact got it from a less expensive dealer.

 

[brtelec]

If someone lists a watch on here for too much money, do not buy it. I know it is frustrating to see someone that has not done the research buy it two hours later, but buyer beware. This is life. Sometimes the watch is no longer made and then it is a sellers market, but there is not a gun to anyone's head to buy from anyone else. Even in the retail market, remember suggested retail is just a suggestion.