As you all know I don't think much of Ebay. But there was a recent change I heard about that I have to comment on. They already provided no protection for their sellers as it was. But starting this year, they will no longer allow sellers to leave negative feedback for a buyer who screws them. WTF? What kind of morons are these people. The buyers have always been the primary problem there and now they are giving them Carte Blanche to extort the sellers?
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SCUM SUCKING EBAY!
- Thread starter fakemaster
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i agree
many good people on ebay, but always a few bad apples
and now, sellers can't leave negative feedback about buyers to warn others????
many good people on ebay, but always a few bad apples
and now, sellers can't leave negative feedback about buyers to warn others????
where have you heared that ? can that be read ? i have not heared anything like that...so far.
why should a seller not be able to leave a negative ?
sounds kinda strange.
if you have a link....please provide it !
why should a seller not be able to leave a negative ?
sounds kinda strange.
if you have a link....please provide it !
PS: i left a very negative feedback for a buyer that did not pay me. he fully recieved the negative feedback....and....its with him since 3 weeks.
does ebay wanna check multi - millions of feedback every day ? no fucking way !
does ebay wanna check multi - millions of feedback every day ? no fucking way !
I can understand it. Sellers have wised up and won't leave feedback until after they received it. So nobody leaves negatives for people that should get it. Rather than get a negative in return you just ignore it when you get screwed.
The only negative I ever got on Ebay was from some SOB that bought a truck from me and never picked it up. I left him negative and I got the same thing back. Something's wrong with that scenerio. The new way may not be the best, but the old way sucked.
The only negative I ever got on Ebay was from some SOB that bought a truck from me and never picked it up. I left him negative and I got the same thing back. Something's wrong with that scenerio. The new way may not be the best, but the old way sucked.
KBH, whats wrong if he bought it...and never picked it up ? your gain, have the cash...and keep the truck.
if you sell something, and someone buys from you, and he does not pay it, you can file a dispute, and after 7 days if still not paid...you get your listing fees back, you can leave a negative feedback, but the non paying buyer can not leave a feedback for you.
trust me, been there -done that....at least so far
if you sell something, and someone buys from you, and he does not pay it, you can file a dispute, and after 7 days if still not paid...you get your listing fees back, you can leave a negative feedback, but the non paying buyer can not leave a feedback for you.
trust me, been there -done that....at least so far
horologie_unitas said:
First he was supposed to send a $500 deposit. He jerked me around for about a week and then swore he'd pay me in full when he picked it up. Three weeks later I was still waiting for him while he fed me full of excuses. I left him a negative and got one in return. Didn't know that there was anything about him not being able to leave a negative. Too late now since it was over a year ago.
The changes start in February and will be completed by May.
Not allowing the sellers recourse when someone doesn't pay or tries to rip them off is idiocy. By removing the check and balances, you will only open them up to extortion by the buyers. There will be a lot of reputaions ruined in a short amount of time. I contacted Ebay about it. Long story short, based on that conversation, here is a typical scanario that can and will happen.
You buy an item from me. After the sale is over I get an email from you stating you think the shipping is too much and I need to drop it by $10. I don't. After you receive the item, you ding me. You got the item as described and in good time so it's obvious why you did it. Ebay will do nothing.
You buy an item from me. After the sale is over I get an email from you stating you think the shipping is too much and I need to drop it by $10. I refuse. You tell me that if I don't you will give me bad feedback. I am forced to and you can still ding me. Ebay will do nothing.
Not only do I have no recourse against you, but, in neither case do I have the ability to leave feedback or respond to what you said anymore. The only option I have is to leave positive feedback. I could leave none of course but they can even extort me on that by sying if I don't leave them any feedback they'll ding me.
No I'm sorry. That's fucked up. People are inherently scum and anyone who thinks this will not happen is naive.
I uncovered a few more thngs too.
If an Ebay seller has more than 5% dissatisfied customers or less than 98% feedback in a 30 day period (Less than 98% would occur the minute you get dinged if you have less than 50 feedbacks. It would only take two for 100 or less), then ebay can hold the Paypal funds until 21 days has passed to make sure a dispute, claim, chargeback, or reversal is filed on that transaction. So you may make a sale but you won't get your money until next month.
Dissatisfied customers are defined as someone who files a dispute, claim, or chargeback even if they end up leaving positive feedback. Any buyer who does not leave a feedback at all will be considered dissatisfied as well.
You can't make this shit up.
Here is a link that was provided to me on RWG by macsupah. Though I have found tons of others.
http://blog.wired.com/business/2008/01/ebay-sellers-ri.html
Not allowing the sellers recourse when someone doesn't pay or tries to rip them off is idiocy. By removing the check and balances, you will only open them up to extortion by the buyers. There will be a lot of reputaions ruined in a short amount of time. I contacted Ebay about it. Long story short, based on that conversation, here is a typical scanario that can and will happen.
You buy an item from me. After the sale is over I get an email from you stating you think the shipping is too much and I need to drop it by $10. I don't. After you receive the item, you ding me. You got the item as described and in good time so it's obvious why you did it. Ebay will do nothing.
You buy an item from me. After the sale is over I get an email from you stating you think the shipping is too much and I need to drop it by $10. I refuse. You tell me that if I don't you will give me bad feedback. I am forced to and you can still ding me. Ebay will do nothing.
Not only do I have no recourse against you, but, in neither case do I have the ability to leave feedback or respond to what you said anymore. The only option I have is to leave positive feedback. I could leave none of course but they can even extort me on that by sying if I don't leave them any feedback they'll ding me.
No I'm sorry. That's fucked up. People are inherently scum and anyone who thinks this will not happen is naive.
I uncovered a few more thngs too.
If an Ebay seller has more than 5% dissatisfied customers or less than 98% feedback in a 30 day period (Less than 98% would occur the minute you get dinged if you have less than 50 feedbacks. It would only take two for 100 or less), then ebay can hold the Paypal funds until 21 days has passed to make sure a dispute, claim, chargeback, or reversal is filed on that transaction. So you may make a sale but you won't get your money until next month.
Dissatisfied customers are defined as someone who files a dispute, claim, or chargeback even if they end up leaving positive feedback. Any buyer who does not leave a feedback at all will be considered dissatisfied as well.
You can't make this shit up.
Here is a link that was provided to me on RWG by macsupah. Though I have found tons of others.
http://blog.wired.com/business/2008/01/ebay-sellers-ri.html
i did some reading...you are right fakemaster...things turn nasty on ebay. i will just become a scaming buyer now....its a buyers market...
scam all you want and not getting a bad feedback....great !
scam all you want and not getting a bad feedback....great !
Answer to fund-holding is easy... don't take Paypal.
The way it should work is if a non-paying bidder report is filed the buyer should not be able to leave feedback.
and a biider who does not leave feedback is considered negative??!! I've got nearly 400+ feedbacks and 1 negative from a douche who didn't pay but probably have 200 more transactions w/o feedback (people are lazy).
The way it should work is if a non-paying bidder report is filed the buyer should not be able to leave feedback.
and a biider who does not leave feedback is considered negative??!! I've got nearly 400+ feedbacks and 1 negative from a douche who didn't pay but probably have 200 more transactions w/o feedback (people are lazy).
Here is a couple of links to sign online petitions in regards to the new e-bay policy.
http://www.petitiononline.com/FVF/
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/new-fe ... or-sellers
http://www.petitiononline.com/FVF/
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/new-fe ... or-sellers
Hey. Here are 100 reasons why buyers will give bad feedback to the sellers. I could have gone on all night. Please add to the list.
1- A buyer does not get an immediate positive feedback from seller upon receipt of payment
2- A seller does not reply to a buyer email with in 2 hours
3- Seller doesn't write the ebay number on the outside of the box
4- Seller didn't include a packing slip with invoice
5- Seller wouldn't ship for free
6- Seller charges a handling fee
7- Seller did not use new packing peanuts
8- Seller did not use a new box, and new bubble wrap
9- Seller did not include free insurance
10- Seller does not give combined shipping discount
11- The buyer has remorse on an As-Is sale
12- Seller does not accept paypal
13- Seller only accepts paypal
14- Seller resues paymenf of $50 when the buyer bid $100
15- Seller did not send separate email with delivery confirmation number
16- International bidder does not get tracking number with shipment
17- Seller does not ship international
18- Item is lost in the mail with no insurance even though it was refused
19- Seller requires insurance
20- Post office slow in delivery
21- Seller starting price was too high
22- Seller starting price was too low
23- Seller had a reserve price on the item
24- Buyer paid too much after getting the item
25- Item not perfectly described
26- Seller did not include history with description
27- No historical reference made about the item in the description
28- Description was too long
29- Description was too short
30- Description was just right
31- Got item, but under a micro scope found a 1/000 mm scratch
32- Vague measurements in description
33- Did not like the sellers user ID name
34- Did not like where the seller was located
35- Did not like the sellers ME page
36- Did not like the sellers store name
37- Photo blurry
38- Seller did not have professional photos
39- Not enough photos
40- Too many photos
41- Photos too large
42- Photos too small
43- Seller used sound on the description page
44- Seller did not have sound on the description page
45- Seller used a video for the description on item
46- Seller did not use a video for the description about the item
47- Seller used a border color I did not like
48- Seller did not have a border on the description page
49- Margins on the page were off by 1-10th of a inch
50- Seller had typo in description
51- The font size was too small
52- The font size was too big
53- The font used was not Arial
54- Did not like the font color
55- Did not like the description tone
56- Seller used a hit counter on the page
57- Seller did not have a hit counter on the page
58- Seller did not use ebay photo hosting
59- Seller did not use 3 day auction format
60- Seller used 7 day auction format
61- Seller did not offer buy it now price
62- Seller ran 10 day auction, but did not take my offer to end the auction early with BIN price = Negative feedback for seller
63- Seller did not accept my first offer in or best offer
64- Seller is selling used items I like new
65- Selling new items
66- Shipping box used was "too brown"
67- Used white instead of pink bubble wrap
68- Item smells like smoke
69- Item does not smell like smoke
70- Item is smoking
71- Item is not smoking
72- The seller cheated the buyer.
73- The seller didn't cheat the buyer.
74- The seller is a crook.
75- The seller is not a crook.
76- The seller turns buyers away from eBay.
77- The seller embraces buyers.
78- The seller is a seller.
79- The underwear didn't come in a baggie to preserve "its freshness."
80- There was a dog hair
81- There was a cat hair.
82- There was a dust bunny.
83- Seller did not hand deliver my item
84- Seller did not offer a layaway plan
86- Seller did not adhere shipping label straight
87- Seller did not include free video game console with video game purchase
88- Seller did not include digital camera that was used to take auction photo
89- Seller used last weeks newspaper to pack my item, I wanted today's so I dont have to go buy one
90- Seller taped box too much to insure it wouldnt open. I had to use a knife to open it
91- The seller doesn't have private auctions.
92- The seller has private auctions.
93- The seller refused to ship to my unconfirmed address (though it was clearly listed in the auction).
94- Buyer chooses USPS parcel post shipping instead of priority to save $2.00 and gets angry because it wasn't delivered in time for a birthday which was the day of the auction
95- Seller refuses to falsify customs forms for buyer
96- Buyer's monitor made item look a darker pink than it is in real life.
97- Buyer found a better item after the sale and seller won't return it
98- Seller does not accept checks from Zimbabwe
99- Seller sent an invoice thanking me and telling me to have a nice day - I was having a bad day
100- Buyer is having a bad day = negative for seller.
1- A buyer does not get an immediate positive feedback from seller upon receipt of payment
2- A seller does not reply to a buyer email with in 2 hours
3- Seller doesn't write the ebay number on the outside of the box
4- Seller didn't include a packing slip with invoice
5- Seller wouldn't ship for free
6- Seller charges a handling fee
7- Seller did not use new packing peanuts
8- Seller did not use a new box, and new bubble wrap
9- Seller did not include free insurance
10- Seller does not give combined shipping discount
11- The buyer has remorse on an As-Is sale
12- Seller does not accept paypal
13- Seller only accepts paypal
14- Seller resues paymenf of $50 when the buyer bid $100
15- Seller did not send separate email with delivery confirmation number
16- International bidder does not get tracking number with shipment
17- Seller does not ship international
18- Item is lost in the mail with no insurance even though it was refused
19- Seller requires insurance
20- Post office slow in delivery
21- Seller starting price was too high
22- Seller starting price was too low
23- Seller had a reserve price on the item
24- Buyer paid too much after getting the item
25- Item not perfectly described
26- Seller did not include history with description
27- No historical reference made about the item in the description
28- Description was too long
29- Description was too short
30- Description was just right
31- Got item, but under a micro scope found a 1/000 mm scratch
32- Vague measurements in description
33- Did not like the sellers user ID name
34- Did not like where the seller was located
35- Did not like the sellers ME page
36- Did not like the sellers store name
37- Photo blurry
38- Seller did not have professional photos
39- Not enough photos
40- Too many photos
41- Photos too large
42- Photos too small
43- Seller used sound on the description page
44- Seller did not have sound on the description page
45- Seller used a video for the description on item
46- Seller did not use a video for the description about the item
47- Seller used a border color I did not like
48- Seller did not have a border on the description page
49- Margins on the page were off by 1-10th of a inch
50- Seller had typo in description
51- The font size was too small
52- The font size was too big
53- The font used was not Arial
54- Did not like the font color
55- Did not like the description tone
56- Seller used a hit counter on the page
57- Seller did not have a hit counter on the page
58- Seller did not use ebay photo hosting
59- Seller did not use 3 day auction format
60- Seller used 7 day auction format
61- Seller did not offer buy it now price
62- Seller ran 10 day auction, but did not take my offer to end the auction early with BIN price = Negative feedback for seller
63- Seller did not accept my first offer in or best offer
64- Seller is selling used items I like new
65- Selling new items
66- Shipping box used was "too brown"
67- Used white instead of pink bubble wrap
68- Item smells like smoke
69- Item does not smell like smoke
70- Item is smoking
71- Item is not smoking
72- The seller cheated the buyer.
73- The seller didn't cheat the buyer.
74- The seller is a crook.
75- The seller is not a crook.
76- The seller turns buyers away from eBay.
77- The seller embraces buyers.
78- The seller is a seller.
79- The underwear didn't come in a baggie to preserve "its freshness."
80- There was a dog hair
81- There was a cat hair.
82- There was a dust bunny.
83- Seller did not hand deliver my item
84- Seller did not offer a layaway plan
86- Seller did not adhere shipping label straight
87- Seller did not include free video game console with video game purchase
88- Seller did not include digital camera that was used to take auction photo
89- Seller used last weeks newspaper to pack my item, I wanted today's so I dont have to go buy one
90- Seller taped box too much to insure it wouldnt open. I had to use a knife to open it
91- The seller doesn't have private auctions.
92- The seller has private auctions.
93- The seller refused to ship to my unconfirmed address (though it was clearly listed in the auction).
94- Buyer chooses USPS parcel post shipping instead of priority to save $2.00 and gets angry because it wasn't delivered in time for a birthday which was the day of the auction
95- Seller refuses to falsify customs forms for buyer
96- Buyer's monitor made item look a darker pink than it is in real life.
97- Buyer found a better item after the sale and seller won't return it
98- Seller does not accept checks from Zimbabwe
99- Seller sent an invoice thanking me and telling me to have a nice day - I was having a bad day
100- Buyer is having a bad day = negative for seller.
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most of the people that sell gen rolex add 3% to the price of the watch if you use pay pal and that is specifically against the rules. i have seen many bad feed back about this and ebay/paypal does nothing to them. whats up with that shit? :roll:
Because they're powersellers. Actually, I think you should be allowed to give a discount for cash. Never agreed with that policy.
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fakemaster said:
i don't care if they are power sellers or not, adjust your price to cover the costs instead of trying to hide that shit. you hit me for 3% on a 10,000.00 sale after the fact and i will stop the sale immediately and you can bet on that all day.
I agree that is wrong. I was referring to the policy. I should be allowed to offer a cash discount for buyers.