SA3135 Movement Observations

[txrob779]

Exactly...nuff said

However, I owe my purchase of the SA3135 Rolesium to Omega88..his review on the Rolesium was the end of my search....I bought one straight away.


Rob


Exactly

To anyone who know enough to pick a fake from our extensive list of reps, they're going to know straight away if they pop the caseback. Personally, i don't see any of this as a problem - if you're trying to convince people your watches are gen (@ omega88) you've got the wrong idea IMO.

The most obvious tell on these is the bezel 'click'.... I've not come across a rep that comes close to the crispy, pronounced (and consistent) click of the gen.

Still, frankening one of the should now be easier.


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[Warrcraft]

Well, I for one, AM trying to pass my rep's off as gen's. Are we not all trying to do the same? That is why we try to find the "best out of box" and do all of our mod's and "Frankening" is it not. It's not to be deceitful (for some obscure motive) but a major part of the fun of the hobby to get as close to gen as possible. Otherwise, with all the money we spend on purchasing and modding, we might as well by a gen or two. In that line of thought, regarding the SA3135, I think what Omega is saying is this new movement is one more step to eliminating the "tells" of the watch not being a gen as the SA3135 mimics the operation of the 3135 in ways that the ETA's do not. And, of course, even as beautiful as the new SA3135 movement looks, I am sure any authorized Rolex tech would know it's not gen once the caseback is taken off )

 

[Fidhle007]

I'm interested in it because I love the idea of both having a cloned 3135 movement and perhaps more importantly I like the idea of having a movement that will accept the gen parts I already have without modding them.

 

[Omega88]

I'm interested in it because I love the idea of both having a cloned 3135 movement and perhaps more importantly I like the idea of having a movement that will accept the gen parts I already have without modding them.

Yup, this movt can accept gen dial without chopping off the gen dial feet which I think is critical. It can also take the gen hands...

For those involved in rolex Franken project. This movt will be the best for them.

 

[jave]

Since you bought the new PT Sub-C and you have it in your hands, how's the triangle where the pearl sits?
Isn't it a little smaller than the gen... from what I see in the PT photo...

 

[Warrcraft]

Hi Warrcraft,
I'm also interested in Puretime's Submariner with 3135.
One question (it's not visible on their web site): is the lume blue?
Thanks.

Sorry mcap, did not see your post until now. Regarding the lume color, I have the 16610 LN SA3135 Submariner as pictured by PT. As you probably know, that lume is green (as pictured on his site). I do not know the lume color on his 116610 LN SA3135. You are right, that one should be blue, but since it is not pictured I would send Angus an e-mail and ask to be sure.

 

[greg325i]

Guys, are we talking about the ETA-based, dressed up 3135 "clone", or are we talking about the factories actually trying to rep the bonafide Rolex movement? The former has been around for a while, and if I have my facts straight, has been found to be less reliable long-term, than a standard ETA or ETA-clone.

If it's a whole new attempt to rep the Rolex movement, I guess I've been under a rock...

 

[bibi13]

i agree this new movement is nice but be careful guys!!! i got the YM SA3135 and Sub SA3135. And when i tried to install gen dial and hands on the sub, everything was perfect at first but when i reinstall the movement in the case the stem broke like nothing. so i took the watch to my watchmaker and he told me that the stem was way to small and thin for a mechanical movement this is usualy used on quartz. I compare it to a aftermarquet 3135 stem, big difference!! I told angus but he didn't know and didn't get back to me yet on this subject, he ll try to shipp me a couple on my next order. The point is i had the same problem on my YM when puting the crown back in place the time change itself if i don't find the sweet spot first.

Somes pics to explain the weak part and the ''sweet spot''
The rep stem on the left and the aftermarket on the right.

This is where the stem broke, sorry for the bad pic my camera isn't that good ... but the spacing explain the hands moving when puting the crown back in. And the aftermarket stem doesn't fit this movement i tryed!!!

 

[boostin20]

^ wow, that sucks.

 

[bibi13]

yep that's suck a lot!! maybe it's the construction i don't know but the stem is way too fragil. Even my watchmaker didn't wanna to try to fix the ''hand moving'' thing on the YM. he was too afraid to broke it too, and good luck to find somes to replace, Angus can get you one for replacement if you make an other order but he can't get you a fews even if you pay them. Also, when you change dial or hands, and you put the stem back in the movement you can fell that it's getting harder to find the sweet spot... So i don't think this movement is perfect just yet, the point of buying it is to install gen dial hands... You can't imagine how disapointed i was when i found out about this. All i'm saying is BE CAREFUL guys if you plan to install dial hands.

 

[Omega88]

Then how did the Chinese watch smith manage to install the fragile stem in rep factory?

 

[trailboss99]

Then how did the Chinese watch smith manage to install the fragile stem in rep factory?

You mean how did the 12yo kid fit the stem at the kitchen table? Trust me, this watch has never seen a watchsmith or a factory.

 

[bibi13]

That's what i'm saying, the stem is fragile, once the stem is in the movement, everything is good except the hands moving while you put the crown back in place. But as soon as you take it out and in a couple of times the stem will break inside or it ll make even harder to find the date or time spot. On the first pic i post you can clearly see that at the point of break (i noticed) the rep stem is much thinner than the Aftermarket one or any other ETA or Clone stem i ever seen before.

 

[Ruprekt]

That sucks! This just killed my order for sure. I'd say if Angus can't make this right there's a huge customer service and trust issue. Not being able to get you s new stem unless you place another order? What kind of crap is that?

 

[bibi13]

Does anyone got to change dial or hands succesfully on this movement without any of theses problems ( stem broke or much harder to find time, date spot ) ??

 

[boostin20]

Wow, this is worrying me. I just ordered a ym with a confirmation that order is in progress, but haven't received the QC pics yet. What do you guys think I should do?

 

[sub4me]

This is what I hate about reps, even though we have this new movement they continue to use the cheapest materials possible. But what guys need to remember is its a rep, its job is to look like a gen not perform as one, the makers of these don't give a shit about lasting quality, they care about costs and profits, thats it. The new movement was created for sales marketing a product, not to last and I think the stem is very badly done, just look at those pics, horrible stem it looks so cheap and weak, now imagine this is whats inside you new YM or DSSD and I'm certain others parts are just as bad, F that, its junk. To have to deal with this on a new watch is just bad.

I'm not blaming the dealer, but this BS of only can get parts with your next order is just another way to get you to spend more.

 

[bibi13]

Yes, Angus was nice, i mean, he said that he ll contact the factory for a replacement stem, or i could send the watch back for repare but, he can't shipp to me just one stem and he can't sell 2 or 3 stems alone. So for my next order he ll shipp one stem to go with. But since then he didn't reply to me yet about this so i don't know if he got one already. And i bought 3 aftermarket 3135 stem on eBay because he told me that it should fit the movement. But it doesn't actually

True, i was a bit exited to install a gen dial and hands on the SUB, but now, the watch is at my watchsmith waiting for a stem and i don't know when i ll get it. So if you just wanna keep the watch as you received it, it should work, about how long? i really don't know, i gave a lot of rep to my watchmaker, and it's the first time that he refused to touch it. and he told me that even with a new stem, (same quality) it won't last for ever. So i don't know what to think about it since then

 

[sub4me]

Great the seller was nice (this is not a insult to the poster), ever see that commercial where the person calls their credit card and gets a customer service center in a third world country answered by a man named Peggy?? LOL, its kinda the same thing. I always hear guys saying Michelle or Suzzy at my TD is so nice to deal with. Listen, you ain't talking to Michelle or Suzzy your talking to Peggy, a fat bald, sweaty Chinesse guy, who doesn't give a shit.

Yes friend I get you stem or two more stem if you like, but you buy more watch first, send funds now, I ship fast, you like long time friend, send funds now, Holiday coming.

Yea thats real nice (this is not a attack on any one dealer or an insult to the poster) service.

 

[bibi13]

Great the seller was nice (this is not a insult to the poster), ever see that commercial where the person calls their credit card and gets a customer service center in a third world country answered by a man named Peggy?? LOL, its kinda the same thing. I always hear guys saying Michelle or Suzzy at my TD is so nice to deal with. Listen, you ain't talking to Michelle or Suzzy your talking to Peggy, a fat bald, sweaty Chinesse guy, who doesn't give a shit.

Yes friend I get you stem or two more stem if you like, but you buy more watch first, send funds now, I ship fast, you like long time friend, send funds now, Holiday coming.

Yea thats real nice (this is not a attack on any one dealer or an insult to the poster) service.

Well i agree with you, i'm just explaining what the problem is to avoid any other members to be in my position. And when i said Angus was nice, what i wanted to say is that he at least replyed to me and proposed to repair, and again shipping to pay... So now the only thing i can do is to buy a cheap cheap rep but mostely be sure that the stem ll be in that box!!!I read that a lot of people like this this movement, but does anyone has changed dial and hands succesfully without any stem broke or more problems to set date, time... I'm curious!! the movement itself is not bad, but what the point to buy it if you can't even change the dial safely???