Rolex DSSD V5, Clone Movement, $210

[techlogik]

I received mine a few days ago and here is my opinion...

I bought the Gen ETA for $265 and and metal work looks really nice..
Came wrapped very well and took about 14 days total to arrive..
The crystal was the first thing that caught my eye easy to read dial due to its clearity and reflection.. It has more of a dome shape than most of my watches and I guess no AR coating at all.. No matter what the lighting you can not read the rehalt at all.. At best you might see a letter or two but there is not way to read Rolex, let alone the Serial No. ..
Another big problem for me is the Bezel, it has a very sloppy fit and no watch I own even comes close to how bad this is.. Add that to the rehalt being out of location on all these v5 watches and no warranty other than not to arrive not DOA I would wait for another version DSSD than than buy this model.. I would hate to see what the $210 model looks like if this is the better version..

I have had some bad lucky in the past and hoped this watch would break the bad luck but it seems very few are as nicly made as the UPO so I'm just go back to saving my money for a inenpensive gen if I get the wanting for another watch..

Sorry D4Me I really wanted to write a good review for you but the bezel is just that bad...

You mean the bezel insert? Or the rotating bezel itself?

From what I can figure out, this one and ETZ are from the same factory. The bezel inserts have been all over the place on quality.

The rest of the watch has been pretty good. Some rehauts are turned counterclockwise like some of the photos on here have shown, some aligned correctly.

It really is a crap shoot whether you get a good one from this factory or not. Somethings they have done right, some are just a mess.

I would avoid this model from this particularly factory also...as I said, they are just all over the place on QC.

 

[daytona4me]

edit: (removed all the frustration)

Stay away from it is the craziest thing I've heard, the No AR, The Domed Crystal, the rehaut that is 1.5mm off center (like some genuine watches are) and a bezel that is not tight like a UPO or Skyland (these DSSD's are not tight bezels like that) All things no one would cover under a warranty.. because they are normal..

Also, please see below.. as it is fact that people dont seem to realize..

I would avoid this model from this particularly factory also...as I said, they are just all over the place on QC.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THERE IS ONLY 1 (ONE) SINGLE FACTORY THAT PRODUCES THE DSSD IN GUANGZHOU CHINA, AND THERE ARE NO DEALERS BUYING ANY FROM ELSEWHERE (except for maybe Robert)

 

[nielest]

I have a near and dear friend who owns the gen, which I happen to have in my hands right now. I'm trying to compare each of your points with the gen, so thanks for posting the review.

- The gen does not have AR on the crystal
- The gen has a domed crystal
- The gen does not allow you to read the rehaut easily
- The gen bezel is not nearly as tight as his gen PO's bezel (he has 2, BTW)

By reading your comparison, it seems like this version is almost 100% spot on...I say great job, factory!

For the amount of time put into creating the different versions, this watch is pretty much 99.9% spot on i walked into my AD 2 weeks ago and took it off and tried on a gen that my friend was looking at purchasing (even the weight was spot on by feel) and the sales person hadn't a clue and just from looking at them side by side on the counter it's spot on. the frustrations come from those that have not done enough research into the the watch model and don't completely understand the way the rep factory's function. I say for those not completely sure or have not done enough research into a watch model to find and grab as much info as possible before making a purchase. I've noticed some quotes here in the forum in regards to the DSSD that make no sense, the DSSD is a first of it's kind model made by Rolex, the biggest case, thickest crystal, heaviest weighted for a stainless steel.. etc etc. Please also note the new inconsistencies that are being found on the actual GENS that are now being brought to the forefront of the forum. In addition Rolex never uses AR, only recently for the new ceramic GMTIIC models and possibly for the 2010 submariners and only on their cyclops, Rolex likes the shiny feel the un-ar'd crystals give.

 

[seanf]

I received mine a few days ago and here is my opinion...

I bought the Gen ETA for $265 and and metal work looks really nice..
Came wrapped very well and took about 14 days total to arrive..
The crystal was the first thing that caught my eye easy to read dial due to its clearity and reflection.. It has more of a dome shape than most of my watches and I guess no AR coating at all.. No matter what the lighting you can not read the rehalt at all.. At best you might see a letter or two but there is not way to read Rolex, let alone the Serial No. ..
Another big problem for me is the Bezel, it has a very sloppy fit and no watch I own even comes close to how bad this is.. Add that to the rehalt being out of location on all these v5 watches and no warranty other than not to arrive not DOA I would wait for another version DSSD than than buy this model.. I would hate to see what the $210 model looks like if this is the better version..

I have had some bad lucky in the past and hoped this watch would break the bad luck but it seems very few are as nicly made as the UPO so I'm just go back to saving my money for a inenpensive gen if I get the wanting for another watch..

Sorry D4Me I really wanted to write a good review for you but the bezel is just that bad...

Rarebear, don't take this the wrong way, but I don't think you're really cut out for the sometimes frustrating world of reps. I've read several of your posts, and you have very high expectations for all the reps you purchase. Unfortunately, that just isn't the industry. There is no such thing as a 1:1 rep. Doesn't exist. Never has, never will.

I think you're right in saying that you should save up for an inexpensive gen. You can get very good deals on certain used watches-- Omega being a prime example. You'll save yourself a lot of frustration.

Again, don't take this the wrong way. Some people have the patience to deal with the problems in the rep world. Others don't.

One other point-- if you're going to criticize the flaws on a rep, that's fine, but it's a good idea to do some research to determine if what you're complaining about is actually a flaw. As Csquared said-- all the things you described are, in fact, accurate to the gen.

 

[mydnytrydr]

Rolex DSSD Swiss 2836 -- true story!

In my opinion, reps have come such a long LONG way (positive !) in the past couple of years ..... unless you open one up, it is very difficult to tell the reps from the gens ... I went into the Rolex store at Wynn Casino in Vegas with my DSSD Swiss2836 on and fooled a salesman! I didn't take the watch off my wrist for close inspection, but that was one helluva rush!! Sometimes I think some of our members have a better critical eye for reps than the actual employees of a high end gen!

 

[nielest]

In my opinion, reps have come such a long LONG way (positive !) in the past couple of years ..... unless you open one up, it is very difficult to tell the reps from the gens ... I went into the Rolex store at Wynn Casino in Vegas with my DSSD Swiss2836 on and fooled a salesman! I didn't take the watch off my wrist for close inspection, but that was one helluva rush!! Sometimes I think some of our members have a better critical eye for reps than the actual employees of a high end gen!

Ohh yes this is without a doubt, firstly they do not need to have that eye and secondly the reps from where we get them are too high grade look-alikes. You must be a "learned" eye to tell, everyone here has that learned eye! The normal people, gen collectors, AD sales personnel don't. They do have the eye to tell the Canal Street versions but not the likes that we have here on the forums..

 

[Moisted]

edit: (removed all the frustration)

Stay away from it is the craziest thing I've heard, the No AR, The Domed Crystal, the rehaut that is 1.5mm off center (like some genuine watches are) and a bezel that is not tight like a UPO or Skyland (these DSSD's are not tight bezels like that) All things no one would cover under a warranty.. because they are normal..

With all due respect D4Me, there is no place for you to get frustrated by a buyer's honest review.

Everyone knows all reps are made in the same factory. That doesn't mean you're not accountable for the watches you sell to people. Just because all reps are made in the same factory doesn't mean you shouldn't do QC. That's what sets dealers apart.

Frankly, I will never buy anything from you D4Me; not because of the defective watch you sold someone, but because of the after-sale attitude you're showing to them.

 

[avenger007]

With all due respect D4Me, there is no place for you to get frustrated by a buyer's honest review.

Everyone knows all reps are made in the same factory. That doesn't mean you're not accountable for the watches you sell to people. Just because all reps are made in the same factory doesn't mean you shouldn't do QC. That's what sets dealers apart.

Frankly, I will never buy anything from you D4Me; not because of the defective watch you sold someone, but because of the after-sale attitude you're showing to them.

I'm just curious: How exactly do you QC a domed crystal? File it down? If you read all of the comments, you'd see that these "issues" are actually pretty good replications of the gen's "issues". I'm kind of confused as to what D4M needs to be "accoutable for". Selling a rep that accurately recreates design elements some people consider negatives? I say HONT him in any event!!!

 

[seanf]

With all due respect D4Me, there is no place for you to get frustrated by a buyer's honest review.

Everyone knows all reps are made in the same factory. That doesn't mean you're not accountable for the watches you sell to people. Just because all reps are made in the same factory doesn't mean you shouldn't do QC. That's what sets dealers apart.

Frankly, I will never buy anything from you D4Me; not because of the defective watch you sold someone, but because of the after-sale attitude you're showing to them.

Moisted-- with all due respect, I don't think you have a very clear idea about what you're talking about. The problem here is that the buyer's "honest" review complained about issues that are simply not flaws. For example, he complained that there was no AR. Well, take it up with Rolex. They do not use-- and have never used-- AR on any of their watches.

Further, your comment that "everyone knows all reps are made in the same factory" is wrong on a bunch of levels. First of all, it's wrong in the sense that not all reps are made in the same factory. There are multiple factories all over China producing different watches. It just so happens that in the case of the DSSD, there's only one factory. And your comment is also wrong because not everyone knew that fact, which is why D4M posted the clarification.

So sorry if I'm being dense, Moisted, but I just don't understand what you think D4M should have done differently. In fact, I don't really understand anything about your post.

 

[daytona4me]

With all due respect D4Me, there is no place for you to get frustrated by a buyer's honest review.

Frankly, I will never buy anything from you D4Me; not because of the defective watch you sold someone, but because of the after-sale attitude you're showing to them.

I'm harder on myself than any member could ever be.
LOL, I had someone who should have left me a bad review (despite it being out of my control) but I knew he never would, so I wrote a bad review on myself because I knew he wouldnt, so how would I be frustrated about an honest review?
HOWEVER,
When the honest review outlines what is standard on the rep, and on the genuine, yet.. it's a bad review... if I cant live up to a watch being the same style and attributes as it's genuine counterpart, how could I not get frustrated?

Your comments also reflect that you do not know how I operate. I clearly outline that I do not sell pre nor post sale service (despite many times providing it). I prefer that noobs dont buy from me because they require the pre and post sale service that I cannot provide because my margins are too small for me to invest the time.

I usually see complaints when the watch is nothing like the genuine, however, when they are far closer to being like the genuine than not, ... when am I allowed to become frustrated?

Also,, why is there no place for me to be frustrated? I am allowed to be frustrated just like anyone else.

Now please understand, I'm not here beating you up over this,, I respect your opinion, but am disagreeing with you.

Also,, My stressing of the ONE SINGLE FACTORY was to clear up incorrect statements made by people referencing not buying one from this factory.. which insinuates that they know there DSSD's come from multiple factories. If people thought that they would go out trying to find "the other factory" when it does not exist... thus allowing an opportunistic dealer to take advantage of them. I feel members would prefer that I share my knowledge than not correct incorrect info.

My position is that I cant please everyone,, that's why I dont try,, these are replica watches, they are what they are, which is my position with everyone... and they will come with problems sometimes. I beg those who do not realize this to never order from me.

Oh,, forgot to note,,

Also,, the comment that hopes the $210 model must be far worse than the one received (or something like that) the clone and genuine eta models are identical.. no difference outside of the movement, one is genuine eta, one is clone eta..

 

[guanaco]

With all due respect D4Me, there is no place for you to get frustrated by a buyer's honest review.

Everyone knows all reps are made in the same factory. That doesn't mean you're not accountable for the watches you sell to people. Just because all reps are made in the same factory doesn't mean you shouldn't do QC. That's what sets dealers apart.

Frankly, I will never buy anything from you D4Me; not because of the defective watch you sold someone, but because of the after-sale attitude you're showing to them.

Eh... with all due respect you're talking with the confidence of the ignorant here, not all reps are made by the dame factory, how is that even possible? It doesn't make sense as there are lots and lots of factories building different reps.

Second, rarebear was pointing several negatives on the rep the gen also has, for example, the DSSD rep doesn't have AR, well neither does the gen... at all, so what does QC have to do with something that doesn't even apply to it? Again, it doesn't make sense.

Third; D4M with an attitude towards his customers?! That's as likely as me buying from TTK. :biglaugh:

 

[rarebear]

Moisted,
Even I am offend you bring up past deals......
Did you bother to read the order page....

Now for me I talked about AR as a way to make the bad crystal look better..

Would you rather have a a crystal with AR and looks like a Gen or crystal that is akin to the bottom of a coke bottle with no AR...

Everything on this watch looks GREAT except the place I look at the most all the other issues are minor.. The rehalt if you check the Rolex website shows two different locations so even they dont lock that in...

If anyone can find a better crystal to buy I would appreciate it much....
I heard V3 or a Ultimate 5 crystal is much better Crystal (Edit: added crystal) ...

Its a good deal beautiful watch just not my cup of tea

 

[hk45ca]

i strongly suggest you go to your local ad and try one of these on so you have a better idea how this watch is supposed to be. your complaints have nothing to do with d4me and everything to do with the design of the watch. you should do more research on the watches you are interested in before you buy.

 

[Fiddo]

Just a thought inspired by reading the previous posts-


Many months back when I became interested in rep watches, I had seen very few gen watches. I had this misconception, at that time, that all gen watches were pristine and perfect...especially Rolex. As I became more interested in watches, in general, I started visiting some ADs. Wow, was I surprised at what I saw and held...especially Rolex. These gen watches can be far from pristine and perfect. We put gens on pedestals which can lead us to think the rep we just received is inferior....even if it really isn't that way at all.

 

[techlogik]

edit: (removed all the frustration)

Stay away from it is the craziest thing I've heard, the No AR, The Domed Crystal, the rehaut that is 1.5mm off center (like some genuine watches are) and a bezel that is not tight like a UPO or Skyland (these DSSD's are not tight bezels like that) All things no one would cover under a warranty.. because they are normal..

Also, please see below.. as it is fact that people dont seem to realize..




I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THERE IS ONLY 1 (ONE) SINGLE FACTORY THAT PRODUCES THE DSSD IN GUANGZHOU CHINA, AND THERE ARE NO DEALERS BUYING ANY FROM ELSEWHERE (except for maybe Robert)

What?!?! Really? Then why does the factory make different bezel inserts? Do they just pick and choose which ones they decide to throw on that day? Or you are saying they have an AA quality and a AAA rated quality, the AA gets the slanted print on the dial, yet the dealer charges $375 for the watch, the other dealer gets the AAA quality and print on dial that is straight and pay less?!?! How does this work if it is from the same factory?

Or, how your dial and every ETZ has the exact same slanted print on it? But every other dealer, Josh, Hont, Robert etc..all have straight/crisp print? That would lead me to believe there are at least 2 factories due to the fact there are two very distinct versions out there in the market now. Does Robert or Hont just ask for it that way? Or they just got lucky and didn't get the second rate ones you are getting with rotated rehauts, slanted print, different markers and QC problems all over the place?


Do enlighten everyone on this subject regarding the 1 factory, and why they are all over the place on dials, HEVs, bezel inserts, etc....there are at least 2 very different versions form what I can prove.

Thanks

 

[rarebear]

hk45ca,

I have a Pilot friend that owns DSSD......
I live in the Delta HUB Town of ATL ...

Maybe it is just my crystal thats bad but a few people on other forums that also commented on this crystal and agree it could be much better...

If members who know it could be better would speak up, maybe the issue would be a non issue....... I'm just trying to give an honest review...


You may love the watch and think its perfect, I don't like the crystal or the bezel ring being way over size ....

 

[guanaco]

What?!?! Really? Then why does the factory make different bezel inserts? Do they just pick and choose which ones they decide to throw on that day? Or you are saying they have an AA quality and a AAA rated quality, the AA gets the slanted print on the dial, yet the dealer charges $375 for the watch, the other dealer gets the AAA quality and print on dial that is straight and pay less?!?! How does this work if it is from the same factory?

Or, how your dial and every ETZ has the exact same slanted print on it? But every other dealer, Josh, Hont, Robert etc..all have straight/crisp print? That would lead me to believe there are at least 2 factories due to the fact there are two very distinct versions out there in the market now. Does Robert or Hont just ask for it that way? Or they just got lucky and didn't get the second rate ones you are getting with rotated rehauts, slanted print, different markers and QC problems all over the place?


Do enlighten everyone on this subject regarding the 1 factory, and why they are all over the place on dials, HEVs, bezel inserts, etc....there are at least 2 very different versions form what I can prove.

Thanks

I'm pretty sure he was referring to the V5 DSSD not all the DSSD reps.

 

[Time4Direct]

Yes the D4M V5 is from the same factory as the Eurotime watch in fact I am unaware of another factory currently producing this V5.
There are however a 1000 different versions in the market but most factories gave up the ghost at V3.

The only other maker is the milguass maker and that is only available with 3135 movement from them they don't make a clone ETA or Gen ETA version.

Theirs is a completely different watch and apart from maybe the band shares no other parts with V5 dial/crystal/case are different.

You need to bear in mind that the factory will source parts wherever they can get them and particularly with a popular watch like the DSSD no 2 orders from them are guaranteed to be identical.
So unless you are going to spend the time at the wholesalers and look through 1000's of watches then there is likely to be small differences batch to batch

 

[hk45ca]

hk45ca,

I have a Pilot friend that owns DSSD......
I live in the Delta HUB Town of ATL ...

Maybe it is just my crystal thats bad but a few people on other forums that also commented on this crystal and agree it could be much better...

If members who know it could be better would speak up, maybe the issue would be a non issue....... I'm just trying to give an honest review...


You may love the watch and think its perfect, I don't like the crystal or the bezel ring being way over size ....

me? like this watch? i had the gen on my wrist when i bought my new daytona, i don't like it at all. in my opinion it's way out of proportion and wears badly on the wrist. i can't imagine for the life of me anybody trying to wear it with a suite, that's just silly. it's a huge watch head with a little bracelet and in my opinion isn't a watch well suited for the general public, it's probably great for professional divers but that's all. lastly, at close to 10,000.00 with tax it is a sales failure for rolex. very few ad's have a clientel for these and they just sit in their case, safe or get shipped from store to store in search of a buyer.

with a gen at your disposal you should have already known this wasn't the watch for you.

pilots and the atl,

there's no place to go deep sea diving anywhere close to atlanta to the best of my memory and the deep sea isn't a pilots watch. it isn't even close unless they intend on crashing into the sea. if you want a pilots watch buy one of many breitling's or a rolex gmt master, they were developed for pilots.

i have been an inspector for boeing going on 29 years now. i have worked on the tomahawk cruise missiles, mx icbm, b1a and b1b lancer, space shuttle, international space station, boeing e3 awacs, e6, the complete line of boeing commercial jets and 2 gulfstream's that aren't on the market yet, g250 and g650. i was raised and still live on a private airport that i am part owner of and i was taught how to fly when i was about 10.

aircraft i have said were ok take off somewhere in the world every 3 seconds so if you would like to talk further about the world of aviation in a different thread will be glad to oblige.

 

[R2D4]

What?!?! Really? Then why does the factory make different bezel inserts? Do they just pick and choose which ones they decide to throw on that day?

As Robert said, yes they do use whatever is available for each of the production runs. D4 has discussions with his contacts daily, I think he knows what he is talking about. Quite frankly, I have never bought into that V1.V2..V23 Bull shiet anyway for the same reason you and the others mentioned when in reality it's a V3 case with the 29th run of bezel inserts from Qingdao and the 109th run of crowns from Shenzhen. That's my 2cents anyway.