Rolex Datejust 36 BP 116233 vs GEN

[Saint888]

We all know the best datejust rep is by BP factory. I have 116233 YG Datejust BP V2, i realy like it. Until there is one time i saw gen DJ. I realise the case really noticeable different. Other member pompompurin also notice that.

My DJ BP have some inperfection that can't be seen in TD QC Picture. Behind the crystal there's a bit of dirt or dust. I read Lucy (TD) said it's ussual for BP. The cyclop un even with the crown. Slinghtly tilted.

Since i borrow gen DJ 36 with different dial and it's everose gold. So i will not review the dial and gold color accuracy.

Left: BP Factory 116233 Yellow Gold with champagne stick lume dial
Right: Gen 116231 Everose Gold with pink jubille diamond marker dial

The cyclop on the gen far better. But it's not really noticeable by noob average gen owner. Except side by side like this.

BP as you see. The Sapphire crystal is thicker/taller than gen. But i never realize it before.
The bezel is one of the most noticeable flaw. The fluted bezel really have different shape. It's much more sharp. Maybe they wan't it to look more shiny. Some other member say he notice it at the first sight and it's really ugly. But it's easy franken it with gen bezel.
The bracelet gold middle link the shape also look's slightly different. but still look's good.

This pic you can see clearly the crystal height differency.
The case on BP look's more slim and curved. The gen more thicker case. It's more noticeable in real.

The left one is gen. At the back The case has clear straight line. BP has weird curved line on the case.

BP crown height lower than the gen.

Since the price only 1/20 than gen. I still glad have BP on my wrist.

On the hand. The gen weight you can tell it's really sturdy and solid. Expecially the bracelet. The BP lighter and the shitty bracelet fit. gaps between lugs and sel and recessions. It will make some metal noise when it move or shake.

We human have two eye. Camera only have one. So in our eye the case curve is more noticeable. But you can see this weird BP curve case on all TD picture. It's really different than gen you can browse in google. The curve really exist not beacuse of the light.

Look at pic below. Left gen has straight line case. Right BP curved case. Once you aware of this. You will know BP always do this mistake in other oyster model.This curve visually make BP has smaller case than the gen.

 

[pompompurin]

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Will continue write the review tomorrow.
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no problem, we look forward to your opinion and pics

 

[Saint888]

OK finished this review.

 

[aprolexlover]

The differences are pretty minimal in my opinion, just get gen crystal an you'll be set!

 

[pompompurin]

excellent comparison, thank you for showing us the pics and taking time to explain your view

do you know what movement does the watch have? 2824-2 or 2836-2? The latest V2 1162xx by BP uses either SA3135 or 2824-2 and both versions should have the correct crown height (if they can screw up the crown height even if the watch uses a SA3135 or 2824-2 movement, then they really suck)

I always had a problem with the BP 1162xx Datejust case - the lug curvature just looks really weird and it almost looks like a hybrid lug design of the 16200 and the 116200. However, BP has the monopoly market for this watch because I don't think other factories have manufactured the modern Datejust 36mm (if i recall correctly, maybe the LF factory makes the 1162xx reps as well)

BP makes half-ass releases most times in my opinion. None of their releases are spectacular unlike JF's 16610 and 114300, or the Noob V7 sub in my opinion. Even BP's best Rolex reps like the Sea Dweller and Datejust II falls short because of their CBF ('cant be f*cked') flaws. For example...
1. the BP Datejust II's lower portion of the SELs are nearly flush with the lugs when it's supposed to be recessed, and they still cbf to correct the former problem or the flawed crown in their latest version
2. the BP 16610 sub doesn't have a gen bezel assembly... they still use bezel wire to hold the bezel ring in place to also create that click spring effect. It is bloody 2017 and all Rolex reps have more-or-less gen design bezel assemblies
3. the BP Sea Dweller has full of flaws out of the box - TC upgraded parts can partially eliminate the flaws but it doesn't solve the sh!tty crown height
4. the BP Datejust 41 (126334) was probably replicated in the factory using crayons and monkeys. It looks nothing like a gen (again, same lug problems) especially when compared to the noob 126333
5. the BP 126600 sea dweller is a joke
6. the BP Day-Date 40mm is actually quite decent, except they screw up the day font and didn't bother to correct it after a long production run

BP has this CBF attitude imo lol

 

[aprolexlover]

excellent comparison, thank you for showing us the pics and taking time to explain your view

do you know what movement does the watch have? 2824-2 or 2836-2? The latest V2 1162xx by BP uses either SA3135 or 2824-2 and both versions should have the correct crown height (if they can screw up the crown height even if the watch uses a SA3135 or 2824-2 movement, then they really suck)

I always had a problem with the BP 1162xx Datejust case - the lug curvature just looks really weird and it almost looks like a hybrid lug design of the 16200 and the 116200. However, BP has the monopoly market for this watch because I don't think other factories have manufactured the modern Datejust 36mm (if i recall correctly, maybe the LF factory makes the 1162xx reps as well)

BP makes half-ass releases most times in my opinion. None of their releases are spectacular unlike JF's 16610 and 114300, or the Noob V7 sub in my opinion. Even BP's best Rolex reps like the Sea Dweller and Datejust II falls short because of their CBF ('cant be f*cked') flaws. For example...
1. the BP Datejust II's lower portion of the SELs are nearly flush with the lugs when it's supposed to be recessed, and they still cbf to correct the crown in their latest version
2. the BP 16610 sub doesn't have a gen bezel assembly... they still use bezel wire to hold the bezel in place and to create that click spring effect. It is bloody 2017 and all Rolex reps have more-or-less gen design assemblies
3. the BP Sea Dweller has full of flaws out of the box - TC upgraded parts can partially eliminate the flaws but it doesn't solve the sh!tty crown height
4. the BP Datejust 41 (126334) was probably replicated in the factory using crayons and monkeys. It looks nothing like a gen (again, same lug problems) especially when compared to the noob 126333
5. the BP 126600 sea dweller is a joke
6. the BP Day-Date 40mm is actually quite decent, except they screw up the day font and didn't bother to correct it after a long production run

BP has this CBF attitude imo lol

Give this guy a medal. Very informative indeed!

 

[pompompurin]

Give this guy a medal. Very informative indeed!

/rant over ahahahaha

 

[McDuck888]

What a lovely review. I really enjoyed this, thanks a lot for sharing it! [emoji1306][emoji91]


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[Saint888]

excellent comparison, thank you for showing us the pics and taking time to explain your view

do you know what movement does the watch have? 2824-2 or 2836-2? The latest V2 1162xx by BP uses either SA3135 or 2824-2 and both versions should have the correct crown height (if they can screw up the crown height even if the watch uses a SA3135 or 2824-2 movement, then they really suck)

I always had a problem with the BP 1162xx Datejust case - the lug curvature just looks really weird and it almost looks like a hybrid lug design of the 16200 and the 116200. However, BP has the monopoly market for this watch because I don't think other factories have manufactured the modern Datejust 36mm (if i recall correctly, maybe the LF factory makes the 1162xx reps as well)

BP makes half-ass releases most times in my opinion. None of their releases are spectacular unlike JF's 16610 and 114300, or the Noob V7 sub in my opinion. Even BP's best Rolex reps like the Sea Dweller and Datejust II falls short because of their CBF ('cant be f*cked') flaws. For example...
1. the BP Datejust II's lower portion of the SELs are nearly flush with the lugs when it's supposed to be recessed, and they still cbf to correct the former problem or the flawed crown in their latest version
2. the BP 16610 sub doesn't have a gen bezel assembly... they still use bezel wire to hold the bezel ring in place to also create that click spring effect. It is bloody 2017 and all Rolex reps have more-or-less gen design bezel assemblies
3. the BP Sea Dweller has full of flaws out of the box - TC upgraded parts can partially eliminate the flaws but it doesn't solve the sh!tty crown height
4. the BP Datejust 41 (126334) was probably replicated in the factory using crayons and monkeys. It looks nothing like a gen (again, same lug problems) especially when compared to the noob 126333
5. the BP 126600 sea dweller is a joke
6. the BP Day-Date 40mm is actually quite decent, except they screw up the day font and didn't bother to correct it after a long production run

BP has this CBF attitude imo lol

Hi bro. Good to see you. Mine using 2824-2 Asian. How about your 16234 franken? Any problem? I saw you have so much franken project.

 

[Tazmo]

U can always call it out by the shitty bracelet fit. gaps between lugs and sel and recessions

 

[pompompurin]

Hi bro. Good to see you. Mine using 2824-2 Asian. How about your 16234 franken? Any problem? I saw you have so much franken project.

haha I am surprised you noticed that I have a lot of ongoing frankens
yeah i got a lot in hand at the moment. I didn't realise it would accumulate this quickly
i have a 16030, 16234, and 16233 project ongoing at the moment. I reached a bottle neck because I realised that the normal hands we have been using (i.e. the tall post datejust hands) do not have the same length as genuine hands. So H4 eta wheels/pinion + clark hands is the only way out to satisfy my OCD

So your Datejust has 2824-2 movement yet is has a low crown height... hmmm BP has been having this problem for a while, their Sea Dweller also runs on 2824-2 but the crown height isn't the same as gen, and neither is their sub 16610 with SA3135 or 2824-2 movement I believe

mymanmatt over at repgeek can source better case set with better lugs for 1162xx builds, I asked him before and the cases set cost $120 if I recall correctly

 

[gamba66]

haha I am surprised you noticed that I have a lot of ongoing frankens
yeah i got a lot in hand at the moment. I didn't realise it would accumulate this quickly
i have a 16030, 16234, and 16233 project ongoing at the moment. I reached a bottle neck because I realised that the normal hands we have been using (i.e. the tall post datejust hands) do not have the same length as genuine hands. So H4 eta wheels/pinion + clark hands is the only way out to satisfy my OCD

So your Datejust has 2824-2 movement yet is has a low crown height... hmmm BP has been having this problem for a while, their Sea Dweller also runs on 2824-2 but the crown height isn't the same as gen, and neither is their sub 16610 with SA3135 or 2824-2 movement I believe

mymanmatt over at repgeek can source better case set with better lugs for 1162xx builds, I asked him before and the cases set cost $120 if I recall correctly

Mymanmatt uses LF factory cases afaik. These i refered to as trustytime cases.

Are you sure these are better? On the previous builds i have reviewed there is alot wrong.. From the caseshape to the flush SELs, no recessed crown etc..


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[pompompurin]

Mymanmatt uses LF factory cases afaik. These i refered to as trustytime cases.

Are you sure these are better? On the previous builds i have reviewed there is alot wrong.. From the caseshape to the flush SELs, no recessed crown etc..


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if i recall correctly, I saw a thread on repgeek where someone built one using a Yuki 3135. The lug shape looked better from memory than the BP curvey case
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?278525-Rolex-116233-Datejust-YUKI-3135

here is it, just found it

 

[gamba66]

if i recall correctly, I saw a thread on repgeek where someone built one using a Yuki 3135. The lug shape looked better from memory than the BP curvey case
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?278525-Rolex-116233-Datejust-YUKI-3135

here is it, just found it

Yes but look at the endlinks and the crown not being recessed..

I had one of these cases, dimensions were wrong too on mine (42mm not 44) and bracelet felt very cheap

I would say overall bp is still better

 

[pompompurin]

Yes but look at the endlinks and the crown not beimg recessed..

then the pictures are playing tricks? the lugs do seriously look a lot better (although a bit fat?) than the TD pics of the BP

i think the case isn't completely bad, but the SEL's bottom part of the curvature needs sanding to create a better recess. This is the very same problem that runs across all modern Datejust it seems, including the BP Datejust II

the crown recess doesn't bother me too much though, but it can be fixed by watchmakers by recessing the case a bit (+polish) and reinstalling the tube
the crown height is beautiful

I had one of these cases, dimensions were wrong too on mine (42mm not 44) and bracelet felt very cheap

what is 42mm? Are you referring to the case length?

 

[gamba66]

then the pictures are playing tricks? the lugs do seriously look a lot better (although a bit fat?) than the TD pics of the BP

i think the case isn't completely bad, but the SEL's bottom part of the curvature needs sanding to create a better recess. This is the very same problem that runs across all modern Datejust it seems, including the BP Datejust II

the crown recess doesn't bother me too much though, but it can be fixed by watchmakers by recessing the case a bit (+polish) and reinstalling the tube
the crown height is beautiful



what is 42mm? Are you referring to the case length?

Yes case length, atleast on the case I had.

Also The endlinks look very off from gen and are too flush with the case:

 

[pompompurin]

Yes case length, atleast on the case I had.

Also The endlinks look very off from gen and are too flush with the case:

oh no then that sucks!
LF factory can't seem to make anything properly - their 14060 is a mess and there goes my hope for a good modern 36mm 1162xx rep

seems like non of the factories are investing time in making Datejust these days, well except for Noob and their Datejust 41 126333 and 126331
if noob releases a 126334, i will buy it in a heart beat

 

[gamba66]

oh no then that sucks!
LF factory can't seem to make anything properly - their 14060 is a mess and there goes my hope for a good modern 36mm 1162xx rep

seems like non of the factories are investing time in making Datejust these days, well except for Noob and their Datejust 41 126333 and 126331
if noob releases a 126334, i will buy it in a heart beat

After having owned one of the LF dj's and comparing it to bp v2 I would argue the finishing and end-quality is higher on the bp v2 also especially the bracelet. The bp v2 may have case flaws but it is still alot better than what the LF factory offers.

Anyone asking me for advice on Datejust these days I recommend them to wait for the dj 41 in steel or buy the two-tone thats out already. It looks very very good for a DJ rep and I would even say its not necessary to franken it.

I am considering frankening a dj 41 with a black or blue dial should one pop up on the bay though..

 

[pompompurin]

After having owned one of the LF dj's and comparing it to bp v2 I would argue the finishing and end-quality is higher on the bp v2 also especially the bracelet. The bp v2 may have case flaws but it is still alot better than what the LF factory offers.

Anyone asking me for advice on Datejust these days I recommend them to wait for the dj 41 in steel or buy the two-tone thats out already. It looks very very good for a DJ rep and I would even say its not necessary to franken it.

I am considering frankening a dj 41 with a black or blue dial should one pop up on the bay though..

The only datejust 41 dial i have ever seen on ebay is the 126333 ones at $400 USD. I thought about it but realised that the Noob Datejust 41 126333's movement is a decorated 3235 without a movement ring - this means I will likely have to replace the movement with a normal 2836-2 and modify an added movement ring to accommodate the gen dial's ridges

 

[pompompurin]

@gamba66 here is a pic of the 126333's dial back