Reliability clone P9010

[KOT1917]

See, johnlogan if your watch has gen functions, then you have a clone of p.9000, regardless of what is written on it. 7750 with a decorative plate as on pam1523, for example, does not have these functions. Answering your question directly, I understand that NO, IT ISNT 7750 (But I can’t say what was the basis of the creation of the clone, but on this issue I did not hear a clear opinion) Photos of open movements on the puretime website explain this to me.

 

[johnlogan]

See, johnlogan if your watch has gen functions, then you have a clone of p.9000, regardless of what is written on it. 7750 with a decorative plate as on pam1523, for example, does not have these functions. Answering your question directly, I understand that NO, IT ISNT 7750 (But I can’t say what was the basis of the creation of the clone, but on this issue I did not hear a clear opinion) Photos of open movements on the puretime website explain this to me.

I would guess winding the p9010 is not an issue than ?

 

[KOT1917]

You mean p.9010 that we are discussing now (p.9000 on models with solid caseback)? I had no watch with this clone, but from what I know, it is wound manually. If we are talking about glass caseback models, such as 1523, 671 and the like, then they are wound as well as their basic movement, which is under the decorative plate, be it 7750 or aj23 in the light version.

 

[johnlogan]

You mean p.9010 that we are discussing now (p.9000 on models with solid caseback)? I had no watch with this clone, but from what I know, it is wound manually. If we are talking about glass caseback models, such as 1523, 671 and the like, then they are wound as well as their basic movement, which is under the decorative plate, be it 7750 or aj23 in the light version.

My P9010 closed baseback do not wind manually at all during use.
Even after service.
Only way to make it run properly is by winding it 25 times. If this was based on the 7750 manual winding would than destroy the movement.
With the GEN P9010 Panerai urges the owner to wind a dead movement as much a 30 times before use.

Its hard to get the full facts on the clone P9010.

 

[KOT1917]

It seemed to me that on p.9000 in the initial position the crown should wind on one side. This is not true?

 

[KOT1917]

My P9010 closed baseback do not wind manually at all during use.
Even after service.
Only way to make it run properly is by winding it 25 times. If this was based on the 7750 manual winding would than destroy the movement.
With the GEN P9010 Panerai urges the owner to wind a dead movement as much a 30 times before use.

Its hard to get the full facts on the clone P9010.

Sorry, it’s just that it’s not always possible to correctly translate the message, I did not quite understand: The problem is that its not being wind manually, or vice versa, has it stopped wind automatically?

 

[johnlogan]

Sorry, it’s just that it’s not always possible to correctly translate the message, I did not quite understand: The problem is that its not being wind manually, or vice versa, has it stopped wind automatically?

I use the watch for 48 hours. Wind it 30 times. Put it down and 20 min later it stops.

 

[marcsp2675]

Bringing this string back after several years to see if those with a 9010 still have their watches and can say how well they are still running?

:: I was a little worried at the beginning of this post because people were saying it was based on a 7750 ... and all I hear is sorry stories about this movement. So, can someone also maybe confirm that 9010 and 7750 are different? ::

 

[KOT1917]

For clarity, I will answer. There are P.9010 based on 7750 with a decorative plate from old ZF factories, V6F and this is just 7750 with a decorative plate. There are P.9010 from VSF as in PAM968, when the P.9000VS clone is simply labeled P.9010. In both cases, P.9010 rep is not unique, whose operation differs in some way from 7750 in the first case and p.9000 in the second.

 

[marcsp2675]

For clarity, I will answer. There are P.9010 based on 7750 with a decorative plate from old ZF factories, V6F and this is just 7750 with a decorative plate. There are P.9010 from VSF as in PAM968, when the P.9000VS clone is simply labeled P.9010. In both cases, P.9010 rep is not unique, whose operation differs in some way from 7750 in the first case and p.9000 in the second.

Thank you. So, do all the “avoid and version of 7750 because they are unreliable” comments apply. Or do those comments only apply to chrono or complication versions of the 7750.

Sorry if I’m not getting it. I’d like to get a 683 VSF in the future which has the 9010 and I’m just confirming reliability. It has plenty of good reviews from a fit/finish compared to Gen.

 

[locvs]

The A7750 exists in dozens of variations and quality grades.
Those comments apply to heavily modified movements. With A7750 - when subdials are rerouted to a different position. This is always a weak point and a huge red flag. The "A7750 is shite" comes from the many chronos, where subdials are rerouted to a different position. Avoid these.

A7750 in Pams is a basic A7750 with date complication and small seconds @9. This is quite reliable.

The p9000 clone from VSF is a simple and reliable movement. Just buy it.

 

[marcsp2675]

The A7750 exists in dozens of variations and quality grades.
Those comments apply to heavily modified movements. With A7750 - when subdials are rerouted to a different position. This is always a weak point and a huge red flag. The "A7750 is shite" comes from the many chronos, where subdials are rerouted to a different position. Avoid these.

A7750 in Pams is a basic A7750 with date complication and small seconds @9. This is quite reliable.

The p9000 clone from VSF is a simple and reliable movement. Just buy it.

Thank you. I will!

 

[KOT1917]

VSF PAM683 side by side with Genuine

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The PAM683 VSF will have a P.9000 clone marked P.9010, so it is not an A7750 but just a typical P.9000 clone like all automatic Panerai today.