RAIDS happening - message from reddit dealer

[museguy]

As you probably know I adore AP ROOs. I did the unthinkable and replaced mine with quartz reps. The only ones I have now are the LBJ, JPM, FC GP amd the 44mm FC. The 44 broke my heart and has spent more time in the watchmakers than in my watchbox. The others 3 I will keep going at all costs.

Dear C Master

Any chance you could share a photo of your quartz AP ROO ?

Thank you !

 

[C Master]

Dear C Master

Any chance you could share a photo of your quartz AP ROO ?

Thank you !

I have a lot of them. Check out the AP eye candy thread in the AP section and you will see them.

 

[locvs]

I would be thinking,as raids are still happening from what I've heard,that the manufacturers will possibly have to move to another country

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Easily said than done.
Beeing able to produce high quality reps is a complicated process with dozns if not hundreds of people involved. Small factories producing dials, bezels, movements, straps, lume etc... This know-how has accumulated over a long period of time and is spread over multiple people.

It is possible though. Many asian countirs have compact chinese minorities and much less strict police. However none of them has the vast market that China is.

 

[John Abel]

There's something called immaterial laws that protect a company's name and logos from being misused. It's a crime to break these laws, which exists in all countries.

I know very well. They call these "intellectual property" as if it was a big intellectual effort to write a name or draw a stylized crown. In most, if not all, countries, it is an offence to make and sell counterfeit goods, but not to buy them or keep and use them. Isn't it curious that is not legal to make and sell things you can legally own and wear?

 

[VaderTime]

Oh man….. I was anticipating for a VSF sub v2 around end of this year. But, I guess that won’t happen

 

[John Abel]

Beeing able to produce high quality reps is a complicated process with dozns if not hundreds of people involved. Small factories producing dials, bezels, movements, straps, lume etc... This know-how has accumulated over a long period of time and is spread over multiple people.

That's absolutely correct, but there are only a few elements in a rep that are out of the law: the name and logo on the dial, the rehaut, the laser engraving on the glass, the clasp details and the crown. Not sure about the movement. Most of the manufacturing can still be legal and the "personalization" added somewhere else afterwards. Crowns can be made anywhere in the World where they manufacture similar mechanical items. Similar with clasps (I exclude the bracelet itself).
But, as some have pointed here, whatever a factory manufactures, they can find or make up the crime as needed.
In my opinion there is also a strong cultural factor in China, they are very reluctant to outsource manufacturing and/or partner with non-Chinese.

 

[ETAWatchlover]

I translated part of a article here about the major factory's .The article said that zf once produced in Turkey .

 

[jkrw247]

Oh man….. I was anticipating for a VSF sub v2 around end of this year. But, I guess that won’t happen

Why would anyone need a V2 VSF sub? The V1 was already almost the real thing man!

 

[lytnin]

True, but if the thought of genuine parts manufacturers are providing a secondary line of parts, this puts an additional hurdle to get the super rep quality if the rep business is off-shore.

That's absolutely correct, but there are only a few elements in a rep that are out of the law: the name and logo on the dial, the rehaut, the laser engraving on the glass, the clasp details and the crown. Not sure about the movement. Most of the manufacturing can still be legal and the "personalization" added somewhere else afterwards. Crowns can be made anywhere in the World where they manufacture similar mechanical items. Similar with clasps (I exclude the bracelet itself).
But, as some have pointed here, whatever a factory manufactures, they can find or make up the crime as needed.
In my opinion there is also a strong cultural factor in China, they are very reluctant to outsource manufacturing and/or partner with non-Chinese.

 

[EricEverhard]

Was ARF also Part of the raids?

 

[newest dude on the forum]

Seems like the flow of information and updates has pretty much stopped. Not a great sign.

 

[ETAWatchlover]

They went unter the radar .China has great surveillance .I think updates will surface in a week .But I am worried to some extent too .My parts supplier doesn't seem to want to talk about the situation .

 

[C Master]

Dear C Master

Any chance you could share a photo of your quartz AP ROO ?

Thank you !

Here are some examples:

 

[m5smg2]

Let’s hope the lack of updates is to be stealth from authorities (and Reddit) and not announce when they will be active again

 

[submarinerblue]

After waiting for about two months for a VSF Seamaster from Jtime I’m finally asking for a refund. I’ll reorder if and when market opens up again. I’ve never asked for a refund before from a TD so I don’t know how responsive Li will be. Has anyone requested/received a refund when a watch was unavailable?

 

[MikeMeezy77]

After waiting for about two months for a VSF Seamaster from Jtime I’m finally asking for a refund. I’ll reorder if and when market opens up again. I’ve never asked for a refund before from a TD so I don’t know how responsive Li will be. Has anyone requested/received a refund when a watch was unavailable?

I did a couple days ago. Ordered back in March. He was super cool about it.


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[trickstar911]

i know TS WATCHES is no longer a trusted dealer and i know why now , they closed their site leave ALL orders and request for information to little or none and no hope of getting your paid for watches fore-filled. no answer to emails either AVOID

 

[wubsub]

well with the news that various TDs are moving offices let alone manufacturers stopping production we can all agree that they are doing their best to stay in the shadows. this time its serious

laying low is the best they can do right now. let’s display patience by not overflowing TDs with excessive messages like ‘wen sub’ and just chill out.

we will get our subs, datejusts, gmts in due time and they will be better than ever.

 

[museguy]

Dear C Master
Thank you ! Beautiful watches!

What factory is the above watch? Is the same watch available with quartz on a bracelet?

Thank you for sharing. Gives me something to think about until the factories come back online.

Cheers

 

[thewatchdog]

C Master i never knew Bumblebee was available as a quartz. I really love the model. But I've had a few 7750 ROO's give up on me. So never ordered any ROO after that. But I would actually buy a Bumblebee if available in quartz.