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Raffles Tudor 9401 Snowflake Submariner Build

The_scotsman

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Long time listener, first time caller.

First off, I just want to say how thankful I am for all the incredible folk on this forum who have taken time to document their process over the years and help others learn. I’ve tinkered with a few watches in the past but the wealth of knowledge and support on here is amazing.

I bought a Raffles 5513 case a year ago with the intention of building something fun, learning some new skills and having a faux vintage beater watch at the end of it.

The “Seiko” build was fun but I’ve always had a soft spot for a vintage Tudor Submariner.

Stock Raffles case “Seiko Sea Dweller” NH35 build mashup with a CNS ribbed anthracite nato:


Our local library has a Maker’s Space with lots of cool kit like 3D printers, a laser cutter and a small CNC machine but they’ve also got an array of finishing tools including files and a dremel.

I finally decided to reshape the case, soften the edges and try my hand at opening up the crown guards.

Stock Raffles 5513 case with a blue bezel:



Here’s a trick getting a raffles bezel off without bending the bezel.

Carefully put an exacto blade between the crystal and the edge of the bezel insert and gently pry the insert up. Slide a credit card underneath and slowly go around the bezel until the insert comes off. Then use a fine needle to pull up the bezel wire - again gently so as not to bend it. You can then wiggle the wire out of the assembly and voila, the bezel pops off. Do the reverse to re-install it.

Crown guards opened up a bit, chamfers cut and now starting to sand the case:






Learning to polish with a dremel was fun. I used 2000 grit sand paper then green Dialux and then polinum as recommended in this fantastic guide on how to refinish a case and bracelet:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/threads/refinishing-a-rolex-case-and-bracelet.8455938/

I bought a Tudor 9401 dial from Raffles (the white lume one), snowflake hands and a new Rolex branded crown and tube as I stripped the tube threads opening up the crown guards, oops!




I swapped in an ETA 2824 clone from AliX. I’ve broken a VSF Sea Master 300’s keyless before and have heard the many horror stories with clones, so I tried being as careful as I could be. I think I got a little lucky this time 😅

I’ve got some Polywatch in the post to fix the scratch in the crystal but I present to you my budget Tudor 9401 Snowflake:







I’m happy with how the build turned out. I had a lot fun experimenting, breaking things and learning some new skills in the process. Huge thanks to @Megahz1 and his amazing Building A 5513 - Tutorial - this was really helpful in opening up the crown guards and cutting chamfers in to the case. Shoutout also to @369mafia , @Singapore9 , @Karbon74 , @pompompurin and the countless others for the build inspiration and their many valuable insights.

I would love some feedback, especially on case shaping.

I’m having fun wearing the watch, it looks great on the wrist, but I do want to move on to practice more metal working and keep learning new skills so it’ll be sold on soon.

I might pull the dial and hands (the minute hand is slightly snagging the second hand) to weather them, along with bleaching the bezel. I’d like the lume to be almond like vs. the bright white it is currently. The dial looks good in darker lighting but appears more navy blue than royal blue in nice lighting - @369mafia do you recommend doing a dry brush like you’ve just done with your Tudor Sub build?

I’ve got an AliExpress 5-digit case that @Karbon74 recommended in a 14060 build thread for my next fun project (why not tackle one of the hardest builds? 🤪 haha!). Raffles 14060 dial, hands and an NH38 going in it this time so I don’t have to sweat the keyless again ha.

Hanging out with a couple of gen friends:


The leftover Seiko dial, hands and NH35 have found a new home in a cheap generic 6-digit Submariner case:
 

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Nice job !! Looks great.

Always happy to help with your questions and as a inspiration of sorts.

If you are aging the case and insert , then yes a bit of aging on the lume and weathering on the dial will look great.
I have used snow white on the dial to give it a sun faded appearance and recently I used "mud" an greenish tone to further age the dial surface but it shifts the tone of a dark blue with reddish tones to look kinda purplish in certain light to a more of a light navy tone with green tones Maybe its your camera but your dial looks much brighter blue than the dials I receive. but it looks closer to the color of the dials that come in the TD subs from jkf







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Nice job !! Looks great.

Always happy to help with your questions and as a inspiration of sorts.

If you are aging the case and insert , then yes a bit of aging on the lume and weathering on the dial will look great.
I have used snow white on the dial to give it a sun faded appearance and recently I used "mud" an greenish tone to further age the dial surface but it shifts the tone of a dark blue with reddish tones to look kinda purplish in certain light to a more of a light navy tone with green tones Maybe its your camera but your dial looks much brighter blue than the dials I receive. but it looks closer to the color of the dials that come in the TD subs from jkf







hci5LI.jpeg
Cannot beat the patina on a mil sub. Spectacular.
 
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I’ve got an AliExpress 5-digit case that @Karbon74 recommended in a 14060 build thread for my next fun project (why not tackle one of the hardest builds? 🤪 haha!). Raffles 14060 dial, hands and an NH38 going in it this time so I don’t have to sweat the keyless again ha.

The fun thing with my 14060 build is that you need to cheat to fit the « gen spec » insert and crystal. The dimensions of the 14060 are so different, you wonder why Rolex complicated their lives that much

You also need to shave one 0.5mm on the midcase, and also gain as much as you can in thinness by shaving the caseback.
 
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Nice job !! Looks great.

Always happy to help with your questions and as a inspiration of sorts.

If you are aging the case and insert , then yes a bit of aging on the lume and weathering on the dial will look great.
I have used snow white on the dial to give it a sun faded appearance and recently I used "mud" an greenish tone to further age the dial surface but it shifts the tone of a dark blue with reddish tones to look kinda purplish in certain light to a more of a light navy tone with green tones Maybe its your camera but your dial looks much brighter blue than the dials I receive. but it looks closer to the color of the dials that come in the TD subs from jkf







hci5LI.jpeg
Thanks! I’ve got lots of questions 😂

Yeah, the dial feels quite bright blue especially against the stock Raffles bezel. I love the dial colour you’ve got on your sub. When you said ”mud” is this a stock paint that you’ve found? Do you have any tutorials on weathering dials you can share? Is it worth me chucking the Raffles dial in the oven for half an hour to get it to turn?

Also the lume plots on my dial lack the puffy nature that yours have - did you add that?
 

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The fun thing with my 14060 build is that you need to cheat to fit the « gen spec » insert and crystal. The dimensions of the 14060 are so different, you wonder why Rolex complicated their lives that much

You also need to shave one 0.5mm on the midcase, and also gain as much as you can in thinness by shaving the caseback.
I’ll have lots of questions for you as well @Karbon74!

I’ve already started shaping the case a little. Will shaving the midcase will require access to a lathe? Same with the case back?
 

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Thanks! I’ve got lots of questions 😂

Yeah, the dial feels quite bright blue especially against the stock Raffles bezel. I love the dial colour you’ve got on your sub. When you said ”mud” is this a stock paint that you’ve found? Do you have any tutorials on weathering dials you can share? Is it worth me chucking the Raffles dial in the oven for half an hour to get it to turn?

Also the lume plots on my dial lack the puffy nature that yours have - did you add that?
MUD for the green tone on the day and SAND for the lume apply sparingly and dust off .
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@The Spectre recently just baked a raffles tudor dial and it did turn out really nice.. it aged the lume and faded the brightness of the dial . it was quite nice

here is the link
 
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What tool did you use to do the case back?

Nothing.
Sandpaper laid flat on table, caseback in a holder (a cheap adjustable movement holder is fine) for grip and avoid skinning off your finger tips

Then by hand

You can use a belt sander. It should work fine too and much faster
 
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MUD for the green tone on the day and SAND for the lume apply sparingly and dust off .
hq720.jpg


@The Spectre recently just baked a raffles tudor dial and it did turn out really nice.. it aged the lume and faded the brightness of the dial . it was quite nice

here is the link
Thanks! @The Spectre build thread looks great, I’ll maybe give his technique a go. I’ll also hunt down those Tamiya weathering paints.
 
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