Quick gen vs rep comparison 26405CE

[legend]

legend Great comparison - thanks for the effort!

As I'm not too familiar with the construction with the APs: what's that black material between the bezel and the case? Is that the sealing ring or a metal part as well?

That’s the rubber gasket or sealing ring like you mentioned. It’s chief purpose is for waterproofing.


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[Luvwatch]

If you want my personal opinion, the rubber straps for the gen Ghost and Dark Knight both aren't like the older rubber straps, in that they are thinner, slightly more glossy, and to be brutally honest, cheap to the touch lol, like straps which belong better on $60 casio watches. It is hard to imagine the rep rubber straps being worse, and I do not think that it is the case. I think that any of the similar looking two tone straps you find on ebay will give the gen ones a good run for its money, material wise. There is nothing superlative about the gen Dark Knight straps.. they are pretty basic, quality wise. So yes, I say get JF or aftermarket, there is no reason to get the gen straps IMHO.

I guess I learned that the hard way.
Absolutely no reason to buy the gen AP rubber straps.
I don’t know if that’s the case with the diver straps but at least NWBG for the DK.

 

[tangokilo]

Just ordered one of these after reading the review! I'll post pictures when I get QC pictures.

 

[sasquatch951]

It’s funny because I ordered this beginning of the month or so, before Legend posted this comparison. Here is my QC image. I accepted it and it is on its way.

 

[Roguetheory]

It’s funny because I ordered this beginning of the month or so, before Legend posted this comparison. Here is my QC image. I accepted it and it is on its way.

It is a beautiful watch, it’s next on my list. The only pedantic sticking point for me is the sandblasted pusher shrouds looking a little “raw” like concrete. As Legend mentioned above though, seems like they can be cleaned to get a more even appearance.

 

[sasquatch951]

It is a beautiful watch, it’s next on my list. The only pedantic sticking point for me is the sandblasted pusher shrouds looking a little “raw” like concrete. As Legend mentioned above though, seems like they can be cleaned to get a more even appearance.

Agreed. The other issue is the indices don't line up the same as the gen against the tachymeter - but this is not that big a deal (for example the 120 doesn't like up with the 6 index marker line on gen).

 

[legend]

Agreed. The other issue is the indices don't line up the same as the gen against the tachymeter - but this is not that big a deal (for example the 120 doesn't like up with the 6 index marker line on gen).

The 60 and 120 are both supposed to line up on the gen and the rep, no reason for them not too. If they are not aligned, I believe that they can be aligned by adjusting the tachy manually. This isn't a flaw per se but a misalignment.

If we want to scrutinize 44mm ROO flaws, these are the usual general ones
- marker at 3 a tad too short
- datewheel depth not as prominent in the rep
- AP logo a little too much the right for the rep
- tachy font difference
- Thickness of case
- profile of caseback
- Entire movement is different, even with the so called "decoration plates"
- crown offset against pushers not present in rep
- hand geometry is different in the rep
- subdial numbers look slightly different

And for this specific model
- lume is too white on the rep dial and hands (they are creamy in the gen)
- color of the gold accents and datewheel is too reddish in the rep (gold in the gen, rep "gold" looks copper by comparison)

The above flaws mentioned mostly apply in an academic way for forum members to discuss and be aware of. In real life, they are more like "meh, so what?" lol

 

[SuperLory]

Bro next time we meet i want to see this beauty, thanks.

I agree tho that at "safe distancing" level it's hard - except for the few superhumans inside this forum obviously - to call out someone. Wish 42mm behaved the same

 

[legend]

Bro next time we meet i want to see this beauty, thanks.

I agree tho that at "safe distancing" level it's hard - except for the few superhumans inside this forum obviously - to call out someone. Wish 42mm behaved the same

No problem sir. Same address?

 

[Luvwatch]

The 60 and 120 are both supposed to line up on the gen and the rep, no reason for them not too. If they are not aligned, I believe that they can be aligned by adjusting the tachy manually. This isn't a flaw per se but a misalignment.

If we want to scrutinize 44mm ROO flaws, these are the usual general ones
- marker at 3 a tad too short
- datewheel depth not as prominent in the rep
- AP logo a little too much the right for the rep
- tachy font difference
- Thickness of case
- profile of caseback
- Entire movement is different, even with the so called "decoration plates"
- crown offset against pushers not present in rep
- hand geometry is different in the rep
- subdial numbers look slightly different

And for this specific model
- lume is too white on the rep dial and hands (they are creamy in the gen)
- color of the gold accents and datewheel is too reddish in the rep (gold in the gen, rep "gold" looks copper by comparison)

The above flaws mentioned mostly apply in an academic way for forum members to discuss and be aware of. In real life, they are more like "meh, so what?" lol

Very detailed analysis.
In real life most gen owners just aren’t aware of this details and minor flaws will mostly pass unnoticed.
IMO it’s most likely an informed collector within the rep forums is able to spot a rep or franken than a gen collector.

You, my friend, I highly guess, are one of the very few gen collectors that could spot them in the wild.


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[Roguetheory]

The 60 and 120 are both supposed to line up on the gen and the rep, no reason for them not too. If they are not aligned, I believe that they can be aligned by adjusting the tachy manually. This isn't a flaw per se but a misalignment.

If we want to scrutinize 44mm ROO flaws, these are the usual general ones
- marker at 3 a tad too short
- datewheel depth not as prominent in the rep
- AP logo a little too much the right for the rep
- tachy font difference
- Thickness of case
- profile of caseback
- Entire movement is different, even with the so called "decoration plates"
- crown offset against pushers not present in rep
- hand geometry is different in the rep
- subdial numbers look slightly different

And for this specific model
- lume is too white on the rep dial and hands (they are creamy in the gen)
- color of the gold accents and datewheel is too reddish in the rep (gold in the gen, rep "gold" looks copper by comparison)

The above flaws mentioned mostly apply in an academic way for forum members to discuss and be aware of. In real life, they are more like "meh, so what?" lol

You mentioned in the 1st post that the case and case back have limitations as far as thinning. To what degree is is possible? And can the profile of the case back be adjusted?

 

[legend]

You mentioned in the 1st post that the case and case back have limitations as far as thinning. To what degree is is possible? And can the profile of the case back be adjusted?

OK theoretically (and guys like SuperLory know it well), the watch CAN be thinned to close to gen thickness.
But the issue is the profile of the caseback. Both the slanted and straight surfaces are thinner than the rep's, so you cannot achieve the right profile in the rep by thinning the caseback, because it can only be thinned on one side. But on the wrist, this isn't a tell as the caseback is almost totally hidden by the wrist.

 

[SuperLory]

It will cost a lot and it will not look like the gen....but but but...trust me... that 1 and a half or more millimiter shaved make an immense difference in comfort

choose your poison

 

[Roguetheory]

It will cost a lot and it will not look like the gen....but but but...trust me... that 1 and a half or more millimiter shaved make an immense difference in comfort

choose your poison

It’s the fine details and margins which I’m guessing make this hobby exciting. With that said, I’ll probably do it

 

[Markaplan]

It will cost a lot and it will not look like the gen....but but but...trust me... that 1 and a half or more millimiter shaved make an immense difference in comfort

choose your poison

Thank you all for the analysis. I am new to this.

Is it only this part I marked in red that is thicker than the GEN?

Thank you in advance.

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[Roguetheory]

Thank you all for the analysis. I am new to this.

Is it only this part I marked in red that is thicker than the GEN?

Thank you in advance.

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No, it’s both the case and case back which is thicker.

 

[Markaplan]

No, it’s both the case and case back which is thicker.

So only the yellow (case) and red (case back) are thicker. Right?

Everything else is same thickness as GEN?

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[Roguetheory]

So only the yellow (case) and red (case back) are thicker. Right?

Everything else is same thickness as GEN?

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I’ll let Legend answer that conclusively. From my understanding, yes it’s only “yellow” & “red”
which is thicker.

 

[legend]

So only the yellow (case) and red (case back) are thicker. Right?


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You’re going to run out of colors soon lol.
The caseback is very obviously thicker, and the midcase and gasket are also slightly thicker in the rep, though a lot less obvious so. Bezel is the same thickness, give or take a tenth of an mm. All these combined contribute to the overall thickness of the watch profile naturally.


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[Markaplan]

You’re going to run out of colors soon lol.
The caseback is very obviously thicker, and the midcase and gasket are also slightly thicker in the rep, though a lot less obvious so. Bezel is the same thickness, give or take a tenth of an mm. All these combined contribute to the overall thickness of the watch profile naturally.


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Thank you all for your time and explanation.
@Roguetheor @legend