[Pompompurin's] Let's build a superfranken Tudor 9411 / 94110 Snowflake Submariner

[pompompurin]

After years of hoarding different parts, I finally sourced all of the critical parts to build a superfranken Tudor 9411 / 94110 Snowflake Submariner.

I will be updating this build diary as I progress with this build.

The build ingredients that I currently got:
- Gen Tudor 9411/94110 Snowflake service dial (with superluminova lume)
- Gen Tudor 9411/94110 Snowflake hands (with superluminova lume)
- Gen Tudor / Rolex service insert (with superluminova lume)
- Gen Rolex 704 crown (I have recently seen various Tudor Submariners with 704 crowns installed straight from Tudor Service Centre. Therefore, I think the 704 crown matches this build)
- Gen Tudor 2824-2 date disc (I think 2824-2 date discs are compatible with ETA/Tudor 2784 movements. The 9411/94110 used Tudor 2784 movements. If the Tudor 2824-2 date disc is compatible with the ETA/Tudor 2784 movement, then I am also guessing that maybe Tudor Service Centre used the Tudor 2824-2 date disc as a replacement part for Tudor 9411/94110 Snowflake)
- Gen-spec 7030 triplock tube

I will still need to source the following:
- Vietnam 9411/94110 case set
- ETA 2784 movement (or maybe a Tudor 2784, depending on what I can find)
- A better crystal (probably Clarks)

 

[pompompurin]

I just realised that maybe the Tudor 2824-2 date disc is incompatible with ETA 2783/2784 movements:

https://www.thewatchforum.co.uk/threads/eta-2783-date-dial.121982/

The hunt continues!

 

[Hor-Fan]

Subscribed. Hopefully when you source your 2784 it will come with the proper date disc in place.

 

[pompompurin]

Subscribed. Hopefully when you source your 2784 it will come with the proper date disc in place.

Thank you for the wishes,

Are you also planning to build a 9411 with your movement?

 

[Hor-Fan]

I already have one

I have a spare 2784 , if your search turns difficult. I’m pretty sure I’ve got few 2784 date discs somewhere, happy to send you one if I can find them.

 

[geoffdragon]

And that's a follow from me....love a good build story... @pompompurin ...

 

[Singapore9]

I have just built something very similar! GEN service dial, hands, insert (and old 5513 bezel), plexi, etc. all in an HR case.

Originally with a standard Swiss ETA but also picked up a GEN watch with a 2784 for good money, so the GEN movement goes in the Sub and the standard ETA can go in the 34mm.

702 crown is Athaya so I am on the hunt for a GEN to replace that and it's 'done'. However, it really deserves a better case, so I am very interested in what direction you go! I have a GEN 7030 tube and GEN 703 crown in the drawer if I changed the case.

I have a silver 2784 date disc going spare, which I picked up before the movement but actually the disc that came on the standard 2784 has lovely fonts and then I got the GEN movement anyway, so it's sitting in the drawer, unopened, if it is of any help?

Clarks crystal is pretty nice, as are Verlux if you can find them, but with all your other GEN parts, I'd probably spend the ~EUR250 on a blistered GEN plexi.

 

[Got20Mate]

Following. Absolutely love watching these unfold, no pun intended!

 

[WatchN3RD]

I love these types of builds. Especially when they have a humorous voiceover and great pictures to follow along with.

Have you narrowed down your case search to any specific vendors yet? Too much suspense already!

 

[369mafia]

Count me in on this project!! Sub.

 

[pompompurin]

I already have one

I have a spare 2784 , if your search turns difficult. I’m pretty sure I’ve got few 2784 date discs somewhere, happy to send you one if I can find them.

That's a beauty! I didn't realise that a jubilee bracelet goes well with the snowflake.

And thank you for the generous offer and surprise. I decided to source a gen Tudor 2784 movement instead, so hopefully I will find something soon.

I have just built something very similar! GEN service dial, hands, insert (and old 5513 bezel), plexi, etc. all in an HR case.

Originally with a standard Swiss ETA but also picked up a GEN watch with a 2784 for good money, so the GEN movement goes in the Sub and the standard ETA can go in the 34mm.

702 crown is Athaya so I am on the hunt for a GEN to replace that and it's 'done'. However, it really deserves a better case, so I am very interested in what direction you go! I have a GEN 7030 tube and GEN 703 crown in the drawer if I changed the case.

I have a silver 2784 date disc going spare, which I picked up before the movement but actually the disc that came on the standard 2784 has lovely fonts and then I got the GEN movement anyway, so it's sitting in the drawer, unopened, if it is of any help?

Clarks crystal is pretty nice, as are Verlux if you can find them, but with all your other GEN parts, I'd probably spend the ~EUR250 on a blistered GEN plexi.

wow, a lot of good info. Got pics of your build?
Indeed, I think that your build deserves a gen 703 crown and a nicer case.

I think the bivintage 9411 case, combined with your 5513 bezel assembly (because it can fit the gen service insert well), would be a nice upgrade. The bivintage case can be tapped and countersunked to install a gen-spec 7030 tube.

Thank you for the offer for the date disc. I decided to source a gen Tudor 2784 movement instead, so hopefully I will find something soon.

I plan to use Clark crystal as well. I can't justify spending 250 euros on a plexi though because I don't want to risk cracking the plexi during installation.

I also think that you can source a cheap watch with eta 2873 from ebay (i have seen some for 100 usd), then transfer the eta 2783 into the gen tudor where you originally removed the 2784 from. In that way, your gen tudor can still be restored and worn!

Have you narrowed down your case search to any specific vendors yet? Too much suspense already!

Thank you. i will likely use a bivintage 9411 case set!

https://www.ebay.vn/usr/bivintagestore2014

 

[Singapore9]

Yes, 2783 into the donor watch should work just fine but I picked up my donor ETA 2784 watch for <100EUR, so not huge money to keep the donor as genuine as possible and keep the high beat.

I'll grab a pic this week, in it's state of half-build, with the GEN movement waiting to go in. A sterile BV case could work for me but I quite fancied a Milk... I just don't like the idea of the crystal neck being small and possibly cracking plexis and alike. No such problem, on the HR, which is good.

I'll push again for the GEN plexi... GEN movement, dial and hands need the perfect acrylic frame!

 

[Baccaracca669]

I also think that you can source a cheap watch with eta 2873 from ebay (i have seen some for 100 usd), then transfer the eta 2783 into the gen tudor where you originally removed the 2784 from. In that way, your gen tudor can still be restored and worn!

That’s amazing - may I ask which watch brands/models I should look out for with a gen 2783/2784 for these sorts of prices? Thanks so much in advance - great thread, looking forward to following!

 

[Hor-Fan]

That’s amazing - may I ask which watch brands/models I should look out for with a gen 2783/2784 for these sorts of prices? Thanks so much in advance - great thread, looking forward to following!

I’ve had great luck finding good working ETA movements in a lot of the smaller brand Swiss watches- Rodania supersport, Clebar, Omax, Titoni, Mido, and early Swiss made tritium Caravelles. It’s best if the seller shows the open case back in the listing so you can be sure of what you’re getting, otherwise it’s a bit of a gamble- you could end up with an AS.

 

[pompompurin]

sterile BV case could work for me but I quite fancied a Milk

I am not 100% certain, but maybe the 9411 caseback is incompatible with 5513 cases because their caseback designs look different.

Milk 5513 cases fit Clark t19 well. You can add a bit of gs hypo beneath the outer rim of the rehaut. However, milk 5513 and 1680 cases are designed for movements with the stem height of 2836-2, 2846, 2813, etc. Therefore, I don't think a 2784 movement will fit perfectly well inside a milk case, although it is probably still doable

 

[Singapore9]

2784 is only 0.2mm different in stem height and works in my HR, albeit let's see if there are issues down the road. 5513 caseback is different but I prefer a sterile case, so 'incorrect' caseback doesn't bother me. Mine is more of a watch case to hold my spares for my GENs, so will never be sold or anything like that, in case one of the GENs craps out in some way. Destroy a dial, have spare dial, etc., etc.

Is the BV 9411 really different internally to his 5513? 7021 with the 2484 is also a good GEN movement build as the stem height is bang on.

Gluing plexis is not for me, nor is a ring of tape. It would just bother me. One guy did add a super thin ring of metal and sold that case but it was a 1680, so 26.5mm dial... ugh.

 

[dc2Rk24]

Following as well! Love the snowflake hopefully I’ll build one at this level as well some day

 

[dax007]

Gents. Maybe hawkzero seller of these Viet tudor with gen movements can help answer some of these questions. Not sure if bivintage cases are same as these 3 builds. ..

[SOLD] - Tudor Submariner Franken Builds 7021 & 9411s - Genuine Movements - Refinished Viet Cases

Hi All, These are very nice Tudor Sub builds with original tudor movements (2484 & 2784). The builds cost over £1500 each because of the high quality parts used and the work that went into them. The build list is as follows; - Vietnam Cases (direct from the supplier to Ruby, MQ etc.) with...

forum.replica-watch.info

 

[Singapore9]

Hope I am not hijacking Pom, but here are some pics I just grabbed. Apologies for the poor quality but you get the idea!

GEN Dial, Insert, etc. in HR case:

HR 9411 and Tudor 90520 together:

Swiss ETA2784 in HR case:

Tudor ETA2784 in Tudor 90520 case:

Both Watches and movements together:

 

[Singapore9]

Gents. Maybe hawkzero seller of these Viet tudor with gen movements can help answer some of these questions. Not sure if bivintage cases are same as these 3 builds. ..

[SOLD] - Tudor Submariner Franken Builds 7021 & 9411s - Genuine Movements - Refinished Viet Cases

Hi All, These are very nice Tudor Sub builds with original tudor movements (2484 & 2784). The builds cost over £1500 each because of the high quality parts used and the work that went into them. The build list is as follows; - Vietnam Cases (direct from the supplier to Ruby, MQ etc.) with...

forum.replica-watch.info

@HawkZero inspired mine in many ways as I realised I had so many spare parts (some from him) that instead of just leaving them in boxes, I might as well 'leave them in a watch case'.