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planet ocean on the bay £600+ looks rep or not?
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Seriously, who would be dumb enough to spend 1000 euros based on a single crappy pic? Hope the winning bider is a scammer as well 
Just thinking the same thing about the single crappy pic type purchase, it happens everyday unfortunately, some people do seem to have more money than sense. I am seriously beginning to believe it serves them right, even though it may be a little harsh, it may be a worthwhile expensive lesson.
Just applying even the most basic common sense would say not to touch it with a bargepole based such a pic, even if it was a great deal and was gen then theres always another day.
Even a complete starter photographer would be at least able to place a camera on a table and the watch 8" in front of it and press the timer and take a reasonably detailed pic. The very fact alone that this wasn't done should be a big cue to any potential bidder.
thats it im posting some next week on the bay all rwi supporters do not report and ill split profits 25% to rwi ill split %25 between members (who must contact me when they spot listing VIA PM) 50% of course to me !!!! (only joking sent him a message telling him what a thieving b$£"%^d he was) thanks for all the efforts guys.
There's a whole host of people who know nothing about this rep world and take these listings at face value (my parents included) so don't be too harsh on the birders.
In the past I've contacted winners through eBay and told them they've bought a rep. They take it to an ad, confirm it's fake, raise it with paypal and in the end get their money back. They're usually glad of the contact!
In the past I've contacted winners through eBay and told them they've bought a rep. They take it to an ad, confirm it's fake, raise it with paypal and in the end get their money back. They're usually glad of the contact!
True plyman its really easy to get your money back through pp. EVEN IF THE SELLER DOES NOT ACCEPT RETURNS paypal hold the money in sellers account for 30+ days or until you leave + feedback, if the seller refuses return paypal will go into there account and return the money to you by force, its pointless putting accept no returns these days ,and as a seller always send your post by a recorded option as this is also a scam link from the other end YOU HAVE TO SEND WITH A RECORDED OPTION to meet paypal terms and conditions. As a seller and a buyer been fleeced both ends.
POINT HERE ALWAYS USE PAYPAL FOR BUYING OFF NET NEVER PAY AS A GIFT (REMOVES PROTECTION) AND ALWAYS SEND ITEMS WITH A RECORDED SOURCE.
POINT HERE ALWAYS USE PAYPAL FOR BUYING OFF NET NEVER PAY AS A GIFT (REMOVES PROTECTION) AND ALWAYS SEND ITEMS WITH A RECORDED SOURCE.
I get your point, but is it not the perogative of the bidder to try everything 'before' bidding or winning to try and confirm authenticity? Even if they are completely novice about the whole setup regarding ebay and replicas then the information is freely available on the web. A little bit of research on the product before throwing down 1k+ is just common sense. Even if they don't want to do it themselves its not difficult to find a watch forum on the web that would do it for them. I feel sorry for those that get caught with very good pics of high quality frankens, I have to say I'm losing a lot of sympathy for those that jump into crap pic auctions and blinding throw down 1k+ just because they think they might be getting a deal. Do they even research actual prices before jumping in? If personally never seen a PO go for below £1K, in fact prices on ebay are nearer £1.25-£1.5K. In fairness the price it goes at should not dictate legitimacy...but it should be another red flag! Just an observation!
I'm not 100% sure and correct me if i'm wrong but afaik paypal don't have anywhere near that power! They are not an escrow service and once the money clears in the paypal seller account it can straight away be taken out to CC or Bank Account (clears a few days after payment). After that paypal/ebay cannot just go into an actual bank account/credit card and withdraw the money....they are not visa and are not capable of chargebacks or such powers.
I thought that the bulk of their powers are in providing a refund out of paypals own pockets if the seller is completely unresponsive. That is all they are capable of. Yes they can black mark the seller account on ebay/paypal but the cant hold or recover any money. The fact is I wouldn't have much confidence in paypal if I was a buyer. Once payment has been sent then the burden of proof switches to the buyer who has to provide all sorts of detailed information that you tried everything to contact seller and return item At the end of the day yes we might be entitled to compensation from them but the amount of hoops and bullshit one has to jump through to get that 'payment protection' is a pain in the neck and the vast majority of people wouldn't want to go through it a 2nd time. Just my 2c, but the onus is on the buyer to do the research in the auction before jumping in because anything after money is parted with it, it is a nightmare.
pretty sure bud had it done to me the buyer says he did not recieve item i said i have proof of postage etc (non recorded standard delivery )which i presented to pp and ebay which was not good enough sure enough 11 days later it was gone slapped straight back into buyers account, they have changed there policies.
Also i did it to a fragrance company from the states they had no tracking details so sure enough i got it back ,for it to arrive 19 days later (which i then returned to seller at there cost) but point is they will take your money if you cannot prove you have sent item or will not allow return of non gen goods etc etc.
Also i did it to a fragrance company from the states they had no tracking details so sure enough i got it back ,for it to arrive 19 days later (which i then returned to seller at there cost) but point is they will take your money if you cannot prove you have sent item or will not allow return of non gen goods etc etc.
Wow, if this is the case now then it is surprising...I Admit I wasn't sure how things exactly worked now as it's been a while since I dealt with either paypal/ebay in a dispute. Tbh I don't use them more than absolutely necessary owing to bad rep years ago involving lack of security on paypal.
Just to ask though, is this the case only when money is left sitting in the actual paypal account that they can recover it? Because unauthorised access to any bank account/credit card by any company is a crime regardless of seller unscrupulous behaviour, unless access is authorised before hand i.e. for example direct debits or standing orders etc.
Although if it is true and somehow I've signed away my rights in some updated paypal t&cs, and left them free access to my accounts in that way then I'm gonna have to review my paypal account and think about closing it. I can't stand when 3rd party companies have that much access or control! Hmmm!
winning bid was £920 its a shame as whoever bought it will be so exited and then someone will call it and they will be devastated.
I am new on here but have been researching now for a couple of weeks I want to buy every watch I see but I am sure patience is a virtue lol.
I am new on here but have been researching now for a couple of weeks I want to buy every watch I see but I am sure patience is a virtue lol.
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Thank You!
I would of run a mile from an ebay watch as its a mine field for the newbies like me.
When you decide to look for a rep or Gen for that matter I think the child in you comes out and all that glitters is Gold(obviously not).
Thats why this and RG are such good sited the info and help you get makes you look before you leap.
I believe paypal and banks must have changed polices regarding withdrawal to CC in the past couple of years. It used to be completely the norm and still is allowed depending on what bank you do business with although in most cases it seems to be heading to BA/check withdrawal only. It seems to have been bank decision rather than paypal decision. Probably something to do with increasing amounts of people requesting chargebacks on paypal purchases and banks having to do lots of messing about with paypal for recovery as its not a straightforward merchant.
Issue still stands though regarding withdrawal to bank acc. Paypal surely cannot have powers to remove a withdrawal from a bank account once it has cleared? Unless we have signed our rights away on some well hidden obscure part of the t&c's?? Will have to find this out!
Just to ask though, is this the case only when money is left sitting in the actual paypal account that they can recover it? Because unauthorised access to any bank account/credit card by any company is a crime regardless of seller unscrupulous behaviour, unless access is authorised before hand i.e. for example direct debits or standing orders etc.
hi yes it sits in pp account until deal is signed off you cant just put it into your bank account there is a sort of cooling off period.
hi yes it sits in pp account until deal is signed off you cant just put it into your bank account there is a sort of cooling off period.
Good stuff, thanks for the clarification. Its good to see that they are improving in that regard, it makes it a bit more pain free in any transaction knowing they've stepped up their game of late. If they could only take rep listings down more frequently then it would cut out most of the anguish for people. I still reckon its much more worthwhile to do as much research on the product before hand and not to jump in blindly to a listing if something seems 'off' about it. The old saying about an item if it seems to good to be true, is a good one to stand by. On the other-hand at least if caught out then they have means in place to sort it out.
Nope, PP will only place the funds on hold for new sellers with little to no feedback. The minute the buyer pays providing a e-check isn't used the money can be taken out. If the seller has a PP debit card that provides $400 a day he can withdraw from a ATM and if you go to several super markets you can take another $200 in cash back per store, you only have to buy a candy bar. It would only take a few stores and an ATM trip to have all the money cash in hand.
With eBay's retarded idea of making bidders identity private there is no way to warn bidders via email they are bidding on a rep. The only way one can enlighten the buyer is when they leave feedback. You can then contact the member through eBay and let them know they got burned. I'm not sure why eBay even bothers with the report a seller feature. It rarely ever has any effect on the auction. It's sad knowing so many scammers out there are using eBay with great success.
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With eBay's retarded idea of making bidders identity private there is no way to warn bidders via email they are bidding on a rep. The only way one can enlighten the buyer is when they leave feedback. You can then contact the member through eBay and let them know they got burned. I'm not sure why eBay even bothers with the report a seller feature. It rarely ever has any effect on the auction. It's sad knowing so many scammers out there are using eBay with great success.
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Reported this Sc*m Bag!!
We all have REP's but selling them as real is damn right wrong as you all know, this guy should be well.........Firing Sqaud springs to mind!!!
We all have REP's but selling them as real is damn right wrong as you all know, this guy should be well.........Firing Sqaud springs to mind!!!