{*PCTeam*} VSF PAM 213 real rattrapante short comments

[Langirt]

It's sold out

 

[Micha-IN]

are you sure? Wtachfinder told me something about "back order"...

 

[PolonusTM]

it seems I'd better keep that rep in my box chances are it can be rare bird soon

 

[Micha-IN]

I won't sell mine for sure... but still waiting for the QC

 

[Subman]

I'm waiting too ! Still nothing !

When you've waited for a TC this isn't causing me anxiety yet lol

 

[ALE7575]

Thank You, ALE seems I have quite unique rep ATM
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No doubts about that Polonus
I'm envious
I was not fast enough to get one, even with bad working movement
I will try it

ALE

 

[PolonusTM]

On J.F.Szymaniak strap with Piotr Staruszek's buckle:

 

[Subman]

How's the movement,have you been working it ?

 

[PolonusTM]

Movement, good so far. I am not rushed to service it soon:

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[Micha-IN]

[OT]
lift angel of an gen ETA7750 is 49° (we use it for A7750 too), did you use 52.5° for a specific reason?
[/OT]


BTW. still waiting for QC pics...

 

[mt666tm]

Great review of a very interesting watch. Price seems fair for what it is. I just sold my 212 because i find it too thick to wear comfortably due to the crystal height so i will pass on this...but...

If this movement is somehow installed into an IWC Top Gun doppelchrono then i will not be able to keep my wallet in my pants, among other things, lol!

 

[PolonusTM]

ETA 7750 lift angle is indeed 49!
http://www.awci.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/TomsTips_Web_Nov13.pdf

52.5 was an "overclick ". Update then:

 

[pechspils]

If this movement is somehow installed into an IWC Top Gun doppelchrono then i will not be able to keep my wallet in my pants, among other things, lol!

This! Instabuy!

 

[Micha-IN]

did anyone here anything, when the second batch will have it's QC?

 

[Micha-IN]

I'm so terribly impatient.... nothing from Andrew :no:

 

[PolonusTM]

I asked Joshua about future of 213 or any other reps based on this movement and ... nothing :/

 

[Micha-IN]

maybe they really had 80 NOS Habring movements and used them

but if they really are limited, shouldn't Andrew have told me so, when I was ordering.
Last message was, the next watches would come "soon" and mine with them

 

[PolonusTM]

What about that "Habring" movements? What is the story?


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[Micha-IN]

Richard Habring developed for IWC split second chronos based on a ETA7750 without column wheel mechanism.
Richard Habring "Doppel 2.0" movement, 3 pushers
later he made his own watches.
"IF" the movement in our VSF213 is a gen ETA7750, either our chinese friends copied the Habring 2.0 split second mechanism
or they got their hands on NOS Habring 2.0 movements.

Just a theory


Edit: well, prooves to be impossible as the Habring 2.0 movement is a manual wind movement
http://hoodinkee-beta.squarespace.c...2-doppel-20-courtesy-of-the-man-who-inve.html

 

[PolonusTM]

That's why I have asked. Definitely, the Asian copy of 7750-based rattrapante is not based on Habring's invention. I have tried to detect what would be genuine of such movement as used in rep PAM 213.

All I had were observations:
- the movement has no visible difference from the back when comparing with regular 7750 along with autowind capability
- the rattrapante button is located at 8 o'clock
- the way secondary rattrapante hand synchronises with main chrono hand - that swinging move, easy visible. (genuine PAM 213 has rapid reset, both hands movement is stiff and rapid).

So I have started to find our what gen watches could match the same behaviours and details. So far I found:
- Eberhard Extra-Fort Rattrapante Chronograph
- Chopard Mille Miglia Split-Second XL

..and in both above examples the movement is ETA 7750 with Dubois-Depraz add-on module.

Now there are two possibilities:

1 - they have a stock of gen Dubois-Depraz add-on module in limited quantities and just snapped them on top of regular A7750

or

2 - they copied Dubois-Depraz add-on module and use on regular A7750

The price difference from regular A7750 with sapphire glass to this rep PAM 213 is about USD 250,- which makes first possibility kind of possible...