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{*PCTeam*} PAM617 is out! - ****[ QC pics allowed ]*****

ernien

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Just a couple of quick observations of the ZF. The case shape looks decent with correct flat bottoms on the lugs as oppose to pointed lugs on the 127 or KW 617. The gen appears to have more of a satin reflective surface.

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The "1950" on the crown guard lever is in a different font compared to gen.

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The "12" "3" "6" "9" on the dial have a slightly different shape than gen. They have the same shape as the numbers on a 127 dial, but should be more like those found on more modern Pams like the 504 dial for example. Gen on bottom

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With KW on top, ZF on bottom you can see the differences in lever shape and lack of chamfering on the ZF's crown guard.

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Thanks ernien for this interesting review

DLC Colour is a huge flaw of this rep since gen has a nice gun black satin colour that rep has not at all. This is not a problem of Ti or SS base, because ZFac TI+DLC is teh same matt colour. I think is more a problem of previous finish before DLC process

Nice catch the 1950 fonts. KW fonts are almost accurate. ZFac fonts are really bad (makers think we are silly?)

Regarding the numerals I would like to see pics without crystal distortions before made a decision. Anyway due either to crystal or to fonts they are inaccurate

KW CG looks really better, not only chamfered (See the lever tip: it is really inaccurate in ZFac version)

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how about the movement, the discription says: MOVEMENT: Asian 6497 Hand-winding Movement


but in the pics it looks more like the superclone ?
 

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how about the movement, the discription says: MOVEMENT: Asian 6497 Hand-winding Movement


but in the pics it looks more like the superclone ?

This is a clear catalogue mistake: the movement is a P.3000 Clone4. The famous bad called SUPERClone, because it is not even a real clone.

The mistake comes with the previous PAM 617 made of SS +DLC coating which came with decorated A6497. See balance wheel @11 in those first versions, whereas Clone4 and P.3000 are @7 like the last Ti+DLC coating ZFac version

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Andypandy74

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I looked at the video of the KW-rep and what i saw, is lack of coating in all sharp corners. Pretty obvious, and im a big noob.
 

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Wish one of the factory can make the finishing close to the Gen...

 

ernien

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I wish too! the gen finish is beautiful. It's almost like there's fine metallic particles in the finish that creates a reflective shine.

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isyoox

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Hi all, wanted to buy a gen 617. Does this caseback look okay?
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