{*PCTeam*} H-factory PAM 372 engravings - "R" issues

[PolonusTM]

ALE75 mentioned many times the engravings on H-factory (Perfect Clones) version of PAM 372 dial is too shallow (which is true!) and the R in LUMINOR is too wide, not like in a gen.

It looked like that R is indeed too wide, but when I carefully put both macro photo from GEN with macro photo from REP, look what I saw:

The "R" is of correct external shape BUT since it has thinner "walls" - the internal empty place seems to be bigger - hence optical illusion it is wider than gen.
It is still easy to spot "too wide R" but it looks alarming due to a different reason than being too wide...

 

[Luthier]

Bardzo dobrje!!! Dobre oko!!!

 

[carlton]

Great find and comparison!!! Thanks for sharing.:thumbsup:

 

[PolonusTM]

...nasi s? wsz?dzie....


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[Pamtastic]

Awesome comparison, thank you!
It seems the color of the font is also slightly different? Is that correct?

Regardless, it's a stunning watch. I'd love to hear that h-fac took these notes and rolled out a more accurate version.

 

[PolonusTM]

Awesome comparison, thank you!
It seems the color of the font is also slightly different? Is that correct?

Regardless, it's a stunning watch. I'd love to hear that h-fac took these notes and rolled out a more accurate version.

Color is wrong on the photo, not in real.


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[Pamtastic]

Color is wrong on the photo, not in real.


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Ah, glad to hear that, thank you!

 

[ALE7575]

Thanks Polonus to start this interesting discussion in order to know the real truth.

I realized these differences because GEN has the final "R" of LUMINOR narrower than "R" of PANERAI. You can see that in your pic.

But PC version have the same "R" size in two inscriptions. You can see also that in your pic.

Then we have two evident things
- GEN has two doifferent "R"s (see final pic)
- PC rep has two "R" with the same size

Then what happens? How is possible to have two different "R" in GEN and two equal "R" in PC rep and to be all them the same?

I have studied carefully your pics and enlarged them, and I have arrived to the conclusion that BOTH "R"s in PC rep are wrong. The "R on PANERAI is a little bit narrower that GEN and the final "R" is a little bit wider.
The differences are very very little but taken at the same time make the double of difference.

I have enlarged your pics to see the little difference, you can see the "R" LUMINOR on rep overpasses the reference line a bit and the "R" PANERAI on rep don't reaches the reference line.
I know the difference is very little (almost about the same as thickness of the reference lines) but when you add the two differences make a "noticeable" difference.

In below pic you can see the difference between two GEN "R", taking your own draw.

Puretime version has the two "R" different as GEN

I will try to calrify a little more all that if I get better inscription pics.
Could you send me by mail the pics you have used, please ?

Thanks Polonus for this pis and comparisons

ALE

 

[PolonusTM]

ALE75, sure I will send both photos to You, just provide me with Your email address via PM


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[ALE7575]

Before receiving Polonus pics
I have done some draws, to be improved with Polonus pics, when I receive them

Firstly a comparison of the inscriptions of three watches Gen and two reps, Puretime version and H maker

In above pic is showed clearly that GEN has different "R" size. Puretime version has also different "R" size and H maker version has the same "R" size

We will se now how H maker version has the same size in two "R", and the difference between two "r" in GEN watch

In above pic is showed the same size of two H maker "R" and the difference of size in GEN

As above said. If the gen has two different "R" and H maker version has two equal "R" it is impossible that two H maker "R" are accurate.
My opinion, as said in a previous post is that H maker "R" on PANEARI is a bit narrower that gen and final LUMINOR "R" is a bit wider than GEN. In this way both H maker "R" are the same.
The difference are almost no noticeable, but when you add both variations results a "noticeable" difference. You can see easily that GEN and PureTime watches have different "R".

Anyway this study has been useful to see more differences in both replica version. As already know "E" is inaccurate in both versions. And the tails of the "R"are inaccurate two.
We will continue discussing about this matter

In still think that Puretime I¡has better engraving that H maker, mainly because it is depper. But now, after this study and seeing the pics carefully, I think also that H maker is not as inaccurate as previously considered.

ALE

 

[PecMan]

u guys need to get some pussy

 

[ALE7575]

u guys need to get some pussy

Pec my friend: This is not incompatible!!

ALE

 

[SAVI]

As if anyone is going to notice the difference. How many people do you know who walk around with macro lenses?


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[ALE7575]

As if anyone is going to notice the difference. How many people do you know who walk around with macro lenses?


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You and anyone can see, naked eye, the different two "R" in gen and Puretime version.
See above pics
This is, after the CP colour, the main way to tell the version. I'm talking without seeing the movement.

ALE

 

[PecMan]

:lol1: my friend

but i mean , for me this is just too much , i think if u care about those little , mini details, then u wont enjoy ur watches
regards
pecak

 

[ALE7575]

:lol1: my friend

but i mean , for me this is just too much , i think if u care about those little , mini details, then u wont enjoy ur watches
regards
pecak

As I always said: I'm very analytical making reviews and threads, but I don't use to reject a watch by the QC pics and I never make mods. When I buy a watch I just enjoy it every day.

It is the same with Audio equipment. As many people here know I like a lot the High End HIFI equipment and I have arranged and managed a lot of good Audio systems. But I like also (even more) the music. Then, when I'm hearing music I forget completely the Audio system.

ALE

 

[PecMan]

u do an amazing job in the watch reviews bro , u are a guru

 

[ALE7575]

u do an amazing job in the watch reviews bro , u are a guru

A guru?? Not at all

I just need many hours every day to get the info the data and the knowledge

Just work nothing more.

ALE

Now it is 3:40 A.M in Spain and I'm here

 

[Asheron82]

speeechless with all the detailed measuring and line alignments done by both Polonus as well as ALE our resident PAM guru! kudos for the indepth study!

i'm enjoying my 372 from cartel so thats all that matterrs!

 

[psychospike]

Great review but the dial i feel is done very well indeed ..only thing vs the gen is the words engraving ..on the cg itself the engraving on the H is too light ..caseback too ..

Also i notice is that the overall case on the H fac vs Gen , the H seems smaller ...