Patek 5980 papers

[Thejoker]

So if it'll cost you $10,000 to NOT have any authentication why not then send it for a service for $1000chf? At that point you'd have service papers which serve as an authentication and a value add as the watch is serviced.

I have 0 problems with that, like i said a trader will just not pay you without the certificate that came once with the watch. You can do service and pay and check even but nevertheless they will not pay you the real value.

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Please check this picture from your forum, why dont you have any problems with this thread.

 

[Reaps]

Because without the certificate of origin it is not a full set Patek and is treated as naked!!!! That's why they undercut the price! Is it ridiculous to pay 8k for a paper? Yes! But that doesn't give excuse to commit forgery and pass it to the next owner as authentic - especially since this is noone's fault but your own for losing the paper!

 

[Reaps]

I have 0 problems with that, like i said a trader will just not pay you without the certificate that came once with the watch. You can do service and pay and check even but nevertheless they will not pay you the real value.

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Please check this picture from your forum, why dont you have any problems with this thread.

Because that thread is not talking about selling a gen with fake papers to not lose money, sharing such a technique is shady but not malicious. But you are here in this thread asking for blank papers to actually commit fraud yourself.

 

[Mjh2k4]

@Reaps I would have imagined a dealer would treat Patek factory service papers in the same light as authentication/original purchase papers wouldn't they?

I mean in reality, a recent service would be the most likely thing to certify there's nothing after market about the watch.

 

[Reaps]

@Reaps I would have imagined a dealer would treat Patek factory service papers in the same light as authentication/original purchase papers wouldn't they?

My friend, it's not just about authentication, it's a collectible thing. It's like a full set Patek that commands the full price. It's like a Rolex with full NFC card, manual, hang tag, etc,

For collectors they seek a completely full set with full papers. I'm not a Patek gen owner but it seems to me that this Certificate of Origin is the most important papers for Patek, since it's the paper that ties the watch to Patek, and will never be reissued. Without the papers dealers and collectors wont pay full price because it's not a full set!

https://www.patek.com/en/retail-service/extract-from-the-archives/frequently-asked-questions

Sorry, I got heated in this thread. But I'm shocked at someone so callously being able to even suggest this.... as a watch collector, how do you feel to pay full price for a full set for a watch only to later find out that the papers were faked? There's a difference between (knowingly) and (actively) choosing to buy reps/fake papers/boxes, and unknowingly purchasing them!!!

 

[Mjh2k4]

Interesting. That makes sense. Quite possibly not 15% of the watch sense, but I get it!

 

[trailboss99]

i am not doing anything illegal

Yes, yes, you are. Forgery, fraudulent misrepresentation and who knows what else. If you think what you are proposing is not simply dishonest and also criminal, you need to take a long look at yourself.

Please check this picture from your forum

Our forum? You've been here 5 years, it's your forum as well, buddy.

 

[Thejoker]

Yes, yes, you are. Forgery, fraudulent misrepresentation and who knows what else. If you think what you are proposing is not simply dishonest and also criminal, you need to take a long look at yourself.




Our forum? You've been here 5 years, it's your forum as well, buddy.

Yes thats why i asked something and im getting nothing else besides criticism and moral lecture. But its fine lets close this thread, as it is going absolutely nowhere. I am repeating to all members. I have the invoice of service at patek under my name and I also have the actual picture of the certificate also under my name. So for those who like to nitpick, I will repeat myself, my watch is legit the papers invoices etc are legit so stop hating and commenting when speaking about genuine watch no need for jealous comments. I havent ever scammed anyone nor do i plan to do so. I have all the documents proving authenticity and other than that anyone purchasing a watch of this value will most definitely get it checked by an authorised watchmaker. So stop hating and I wish you all to find joy in other things other than trying to give lectures of law and ethics.

 

[Reaps]

Don't gaslight this thread. Nice deflect with the "you are jealous because I have a genuine Patek" comment.

It's not about authenticity. The watch can be 100% authentic and you can still be committing fraud by providing fake papers.

Let's recap the story :

You tried to sell your 5980 to dealers. But you don't have the Certificate of Origin anymore, since you lost it in a move.

Dealers undercut your price by 15% since it's not a full Patek Collector's set when missing the Certificate of Origin. Your AD/Patek won't reissue the certificate leaving you in a bind since it's a hefty sum of money.

Then you came here to ask if anybody sells blanks/looking for a way to "fake" your certificate of origin so you can sell your Patek as a full set. You keep stating you have an image of it, but the certificate is lost - and no matter what justification you give, you don't have this paper anymore.

While the watch is genuine, the certificate of origin would not be real. And since the difference between a naked Patek and full Patek w papers is 15%, this is a hefty sum of money for the 5980, you are gaining money by providing a forged certificate of origin, or trying to.

Did I get the story right? Or am I just morally lecturing you? If you tried to sell any watch, even if the watch was real, with fake papers, that's fraud, no matter what way you cut the story.

And no, getting a "real" blank Patek certificate of origin and stamping it and writing on it does not make it a "real" certificate of origin for your watch.

You want the max value out of the watch and to pass the $8-10k loss with the fake cert of origin to the next poor fucker who buys the watch with this fake certificate of origin.

 

[GingerBubba]

I’m totally with Thejoker on this one. I had a similar situation. I owned a pristine, full set Rolex Hulk. I took the bracelet off one day to give it a good clean, but when I went to reattach it, I’d lost the actual watch head! So I bought a VSF watch and swapped in the head. There was nothing wrong with that in my opinion - I had loads of digital photos of the original watch head, so I’d not like I did anything wrong. Otherwise I’d have lost money when selling it due to the missing part.

You absolute funking cnut.

Can we ban him?

 

[asusundevils1971]

I will repeat myself, my watch is legit the papers invoices etc are legit so stop hating and commenting when speaking about genuine watch no need for jealous comments. I havent ever scammed anyone nor do i plan to do so

You come to a watch forum asking about where to get blank papers so you can fill them out with original date of sale to commit fraud on an unsuspecting buyer. Then when being told that would be fraud which is the truth, you think the members here are making jealous comments.

No you haven't scammed anyone yet but you have 100% intentions on doing so if you could get the proper papers. You don't understand how wrong that is and have been told by many members here.

 

[Palace]

I don't get how you don't want to spend 1000CHF to get ORIGINAL papers so you don't lose way more money selling a watch without papers.
I'd rather get a couple grand in return and pay a small fee. That's not even a question worth asking.

 

[QueTip]

I don't get how you don't want to spend 1000CHF to get ORIGINAL papers so you don't lose way more money selling a watch without papers.

Because he doesn’t get any papers other than a service cert, which he already has.
Have you read this whole thread at all?

 

[Mjh2k4]

I don't get how you don't want to spend 1000CHF to get ORIGINAL papers so you don't lose way more money selling a watch without papers.
I'd rather get a couple grand in return and pay a small fee. That's not even a question worth asking.

I thought that at first. But @Reaps made a good point. The complete set is what provides the value as much as the authentication. Not having the original papers along this still devalues the watch. It'd be like buying a classic Ferrari and having an aftermarket Key. It may turn the ignition...but it's not complete.

@Thejoker and to clarify, yes this is a REPLICA watch forum as well as just a watch forum. But absolutely no one here is a proponent of anything more than enjoying builds meant to homage the gen. We aren't trying to defraud anyone.

 

[Thejoker]

I don't get how you don't want to spend 1000CHF to get ORIGINAL papers so you don't lose way more money selling a watch without papers.
I'd rather get a couple grand in return and pay a small fee. That's not even a question worth asking.

Man you have obviously no experience with gen watches. You CANNOT rebuy papers EVER period.

Like i said lets close this thread. We are going back and forth, only arguing, without anybody getting anywhere quite frankly.

Its fine everybody is entitled to his opinion and i respect that. Only thing I am saying is, why dont you argue in all other threads when the box and papers are been sold and given ideas how to achieve whatever, nobody commenting there anything. Why is that? Why would anyone for personal use, sand down information on a certificate and comment on this very forum and thats perfectly fine, while you all gang up and trying to lecture me. We are in a replica watch forum, not psychiatry-, psychology- or pediatry-forum for that matter. Like said before ALL replicas are forged and illegal. You are okay with producing super replicas, with frankenwatches, even trading boxes and papers with instructions how to manipulate. And nobody ever argues anything about any of that, hence now im the bad guy having a authentic watch willing to exactly rewrite the exact same information that is on my original paper. Its a piece of PAPER not a plastic nfc replica of some sort. Thats why i was asking for an authentic one if possible to attain, if not forget it. In the case it being identical only then would i use it and put the exact information of the lost paper accurately. You can call that however you want, I DO NOT have issues with it if it is authentic and the information on it is 100% right and accurate.

So guys im out. I do not care the slightest whoever things anything bad about me, so be it. I wish you all the best gathering all your fake items : watches, clothes, pens or cars and looking for the very best replica to impress friends or business people. I dont mind, care or judge you that you do it. End of the day you cannot fool yourself, you will always know its fake. But with this you dont have problems.

I have a concious and it will remain clean even after all your arugments presented.

Wish everyone a lovely day

 

[Reaps]

Difference is none of us are selling our reps as gen. What a shitty false equivalance. Noone here harms others by wearing replica watches. You on the other hand wanted to peddle your gen watch with fake papers to make 8-10k and commit fraud and harm the next unsuspecting guy who will buy your watch.

You are trying to sell a gen watch with faked papers, papers that Patek won't reissue so you take the liberty to try and remake it.

Patek clearly states they only issue one of these certificate of origin and won't reissue them. So by making another one you are directly contradicting Patek themselves.

If you feel so strongly you're in the right - when you do your scam, tell your dealer or AD that the paper certificate of origin is a "real" Patek blank certification you wrote on it - and all your excuses. That it's a piece of paper and you are not committing fraud since you have photos of the original.. See how they react to it.

There's no changing your mind to see what you are doing is completely fucked to the next unsuspecting watch collector.

I double dare you to post this on TRF or Watchuseek and see what comes of it.

 

[Mjh2k4]

 

[RDRoss]

@Thejoker ,
Let me try this out for you. WE DO NOT SELL or even attempt to sell items here as anything other than what they are. We state the providence of the items and we knowingly acknowledge they are eps or reps with Gen parts. The forum has gone above and beyond to protect folks by eliminating the sale of frankens and reps with Gen boxes and paperwork.

YOU ARE KNOWINGLY TRYING TO COMMIT FRAUD BY SELLING AN ITEM SS GEN.

And @GingerBubba was right. You sir are a Numpty of epic proportions.

 

[mclarendude]

HAHA, we got so OWNED guys!!!!!!

He has a genuine Patek!!!!!

but he also needs to commit forgery for it

You know how the saying goes:

You never actually own a Patek Philippe, you merely look after it until you get caught doing some other crime since you're willing to do this one.

The community answered your question, you did not like the answer. Move on.

 

[g00n]

Hi to all fellow members. I am coping with an issue, so i have an authentic patek 5980r with box and leather book, however i have lost my certificate when i was moving. The actual picture of the certificate i still have digitally, however as one can imagine the resell value has changed dramaticaly. The fact that it was serviced by patek with the corresponding invoice also does not seem to interess watch dealers as they just do not value the watch realistically without the actual physical certificate.

Is there any way to get a emtpy authentic patek paper? I would then just rewrite the purchase date and serial number as it’s written on the lost paper, to be able to get the watch’s real worth.

Any suggestions? I assume there are fake empty papers, however if its not 1/1 i will probably achieve the opposite of what im looking for.

How much were you offered with and without certificate?