PAM617 movement swap advice

[superspark69]

Hi does anyone know if its possible to swap the p3000 clone movement from the 617 with a A6497?, I ve got a f$$ked up movement thats dead and buried so was just wondering if this would work to swap it?.

 

[capice]

should be possible if the size is the same

 

[ceesq]

I dont think it will fit the P3000 have a different diameter and thickness(afaik), maybe with a different movement ring

 

[superspark69]

I dont think it will fit the P3000 have a different diameter and thickness(afaik), maybe with a different movement ring

hmm I will measure it now as the 617 is a top loader

 

[superspark69]

Just measured the p3000 and it is 36.6mm and the 6497 is also 36.6mm

 

[superspark69]

I don't think the handset will fit the 6497 as the CP seems wider on the 6497 but maybe I can broach the hands to fit? or can you get a smaller cp on a 6497?

 

[ceesq]

Just measured the p3000 and it is 36.6mm and the 6497 is also 36.6mm

and the thickness ? as the stem hight could be different and the dial tabs

 

[superspark69]

and the thickness ? as the stem hight could be different and the dial tabs

i'll have to update when I get the 6497 through the post and see the differences if any. its either attempt this or scrap the watch I guess.

 

[superspark69]

This is the watch in question, on intime it does say the movement is based on the 6497? - https://www.intime04.co/panerai/253...ystal-on-thick-brown-leather-strap-p3000.html

 

[capice]

The data of the ETA 6497 are:
Data
16.5''', Dm= 36.6mm, Do= 37.2mm
H= 4.2mm
F= 0.5mm
T= 1.85mm
15/17 jewels
f = 18000 A/h
power reserve 50h

Balance staff U3461

Stem W1418

Mainspring / battery
Zf3016, 1.50 x 15.0 x 0.18 x 450mm

Hands
2.00 x 1.15 / 0.27mm

 

[ceesq]

This is the watch in question, on intime it does say the movement is based on the 6497? - https://www.intime04.co/panerai/253...ystal-on-thick-brown-leather-strap-p3000.html

It looks like the discription is wrong, the balancewheel position is similar to the superclone, this one from V6f have the A6497 with decoration bridges: https://puretime.io/pam617-r-lumino...ystal-on-thick-brown-leather-strap-p3000.html

 

[Drr80]

Doesnt the 9000 take 6947 parts? Its just a glorified 6497 with 2 barrels


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[mysterio]

Doesnt the 9000 take 6947 parts? Its just a glorified 6497 with 2 barrels


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The P.9000 is automatic, the 6497 is a manual wind. Maybe you got your reference numbers wrong? If you're referring to the P.3000 (which is used on the PAM617), there is a tear down of the P.3000 somewhere but I am not sure if there are any common parts with the 6497.

 

[superspark69]

So the new movement arrived today, this is what I have found.....

1. the movement does fit into the case.
2. The canon pinion and hour wheel is thinner in the rep movement so the hands will need to be broached to fit. (Hour wheel tube in rep 1.3mm, 6497 is 1.8mm)
3. The dial feet do not fit into the new movement so these will need removing and dial affixed with tape/glue dot.

I did look to see if the cannon pinion/hour wheel would fit the 6497 but it won't.

now to buy some broaching files

 

[superspark69]

Also from looking at the parts from the two movements, the 6497 is far better quality than the clone!.

 

[superspark69]

progress, just need to fit the hands now

 

[klockjohan]

Beautiful work mate.
I have almost ordered a new movement many times but never had the guts.
can I ask where you sourced it from?

 

[superspark69]

Beautiful work mate.
I have almost ordered a new movement many times but never had the guts.
can I ask where you sourced it from?

just off of Ebay

 

[superspark69]

the trickiest bit is going to be altering the hands I think

 

[klockjohan]

In the old days getatwatch had decent hands for 6497/98 if you fail.

I don't know how they fare today though.