PAM441 [TYF]

[KOT1917]

Translation:
TYFactory Blast!!! Panerai Pam 441, 44mm diameter, full ceramic case, equipped with P9001 integrated movement TY team to strive for perfection, with solid workmanship and stable quality, live up to expectations launched unlimited close to the original 441. 1, adjust time function: the hour hand can be adjusted quickly, the calendar through the hour quick adjustment, GMT 12 hours walk a circle, all the corrections and authentic functions are consistent.
2, bottom cover glass: upgrade and face glass consistent with 9 hardness sapphire glass.
3, movement appearance: screw hole position and original completely consistent, closer to genuine, similar to 95% almost no flaws.
4. The upgraded movement is thinner and has the same thickness as the genuine one.
5. The kinetic energy display on the movement is consistent with the original. It is true kinetic energy. When winding up, the display of kinetic energy will follow.

 

[KOT1917]

I do not know the details, except for those that I posted, but as a conclusion:
Apparently the new factory is using something based on a clone of the P.9000, but also with a working PR indicator for the P.9001, which has never been done before.

It would be very interesting to see such a player.

 

[JayBee0815]

I do not know the details, except for those that I posted, but as a conclusion:
Apparently the new factory is using something based on a clone of the P.9000, but also with a working PR indicator for the P.9001, which has never been done before.

It would be very interesting to see such a player.

That sounds very interesting and promising if true. Unfortunately the 441 isnt the my first model of choice, but they will for sure make other models too, if they have invested in the clone movement.

 

[locvs]

Nice one. Would like to see how they price it compared to VSF. 438 schould also be doable.

 

[KOT1917]

They helped me find some information about this - it does not sound comforting, but it seems to be true:

https://www.zzfwatch.com/1998.html

https://www.zzfwatch.com/1995.html

Stock up on an automatic translator from Chinese to read.,

 

[Hasselbaink]

They helped me find some information about this - it does not sound comforting, but it seems to be true:

https://www.zzfwatch.com/1998.html

https://www.zzfwatch.com/1995.html

Stock up on an automatic translator from Chinese to read.,

thx Kot, nice bunch of info and a funny company name as well D

 

[KOT1917]

thx Kot, nice bunch of info and a funny company name as well D

That's really funny!:yes:

I'll add a photo here:


In short, and in conclusion:
- Small factory.
- All made from random parts
- Assembled badly.
- The accuracy and reliability is low.
- The PR indicator moves but does not function correctly.

I think no one has seen this watch live on the forum yet, so this is just someone's private opinion and some photos, but I repeat, it seems to be true.

 

[JayBee0815]

They helped me find some information about this - it does not sound comforting, but it seems to be true:

https://www.zzfwatch.com/1998.html

https://www.zzfwatch.com/1995.html

Stock up on an automatic translator from Chinese to read.,

Hmmm. The Google-Translation is quite bad, I understand nearly nothing ;-)
So he says, that this "clone" is just a modded 2813 with decoration? But why is it high beat on the time grapher? Or am I lost in translation?

 

[KOT1917]

I understand that the discussed "nanning 2813" is not related to ETA 2813, it is a separate movt., here's what we managed to find:
https://calibercorner.com/eta-caliber-2813/

 

[JayBee0815]

Yep, but if this 'Nanning 2813' is related to the very popular cheap DG2813 (Chinese 2813) it should be a lowbeat movement.

 

[locvs]

So a hard pass. Way to much flaws to be considered a contender to VSF. Still interested to see how it's priced.

 

[KOT1917]

Yep, but if this 'Nanning 2813' is related to the very popular cheap DG2813 (Chinese 2813) it should be a lowbeat movement.

Everyone, I understand what you mean. As I understand it, there are different modifications of this movt., and initially it really is 21600, but there is also 28800. I didn’t quite understand the differences in marking, especially since apparently they can be produced by different factories, but there are mentions of a high frequency.

Externally, even 4813 may look like this.

 

[kramerica72]

I've read elsewhere that "So Boring" is simply VS renaming/rebranding their factory. Could be complete hearsay, however...

 

[papabear244]

I've read elsewhere that "So Boring" is simply VS renaming/rebranding their factory. Could be complete hearsay, however...

Given the premise (bad assembly, poor reliability) I doubt it’s VSF.


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[mskwatch]

thanks I will keep my vsf v2 without the working power reserve

 

[@(^_^)@]

 

[papabear244]

It doesn’t look bad… thicc boy perhaps?


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[kramerica72]

Some more comparisons to gen: https://www.noob2.com/19591.html

 

[locvs]

I think we are mixing TYF with SBF.
So boring Factory (SBF) is supposedly the new name of VSF.

honestly I’m confused right now.

 

[Blshh]

Hope, SBF will come out 44mm Sub to make us not boring ????