There are no yellow lumed PAM111 that I know of. Yellow lume is indicative of Tritium based lume (which patinates, hence the yellow color) and PAM111 only used Luminova dials. The gen is creamy white lume.
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PAM111 Noob v11
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There are no yellow lumed PAM111 that I know of. Yellow lume is indicative of Tritium based lume (which patinates, hence the yellow color) and PAM111 only used Luminova dials. The gen is creamy white lume.
Thanks Mysterio. I guess it's no big deal. Mine is an old H factory, it doesn't seem white. I should look in a different light.
Well if it's from H-factory, you can keep it as a memento as the factory no longer exists. But if you want accuracy, the latest Noob release is recommended,
Hello, i received the pam111 v11 from Sead.
Sorry for the reflect on the pics... I was only able to see 2 differences between V10 and V11. The V10 is the one with the rubber strap. So on the movement the "officine Panerai" is smaller on the V11 and the small piece pinpointed by the red arrow is darker on the V11.
Now i let the experts search for more détails.
What a pity, countless versions and still:
- winding wheels are having too big polished slopes
- the beginning of swan neck is flat instead of being concave
- winding wheels are having too big polished slopes
- the beginning of swan neck is flat instead of being concave
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Basically this PAM is not done by Noob itself, as Noob has switched all his efforts into Rolex, and delegated the production of this rep to some sort of a subcontractor. That is why these V10/11 are actually worse than the last one that the Noob did itself.
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It is pretty obvious. Just look what watches did Noob produce in the last years. Hundreds of different Rolex watches, and some very small batches of 111, no any new PAM models of other brands were covered. So why would they waste their efforts on that, if Rolex makes totally different money for them.
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ok, so it's just your thought. I think that if the TD write Noob, the factory producing them is Noob. between v4 and v10 / v11 the difference is only the swan neck screw, because even the v4 had the classic small defects that these v10 / v11 present.
On the V10, the Swan neck is not functional.
I am no expert, but just read the thread about Pam swan necks, which are functional or not.
Great analyzation, worth a read.
I had no clue about the functional aspects of a Swan neck until I went through all the information.
Seems only about 24% of the Swan necks are properly installed and functional (according to the thread).
I am no expert, but just read the thread about Pam swan necks, which are functional or not.
Great analyzation, worth a read.
I had no clue about the functional aspects of a Swan neck until I went through all the information.
Seems only about 24% of the Swan necks are properly installed and functional (according to the thread).
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in no Pam rep version does the swan neck work...not in V4,V10,V11... the real adjustment is below
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Of course, sales happen through Noob, but Noob does not produce them physically anymore. There was a great issue with inscriptions on the PAM 111 batch that came out few months ago, then they started to use bad microscrew, as well as the "nipple" effect appeared on the cannon pinion. So obviously that V11 is a step backwards. Noob would not tolerate such issues in their own production, but as that is no longer their primary business, they are just exploiting their name to sell some not so quality goodies from their subcontractor and get some extra pennies.
P.S. I got this confirmed from the factory. I deal with them directly for years.
If properly "tuned", it is functional, but in a very limited range, as the steel used in it is not a special spring steel, but a regular one, so does not have enough tension in it to cover the whole range without deformation. But it also needs a correct screw to work, while latter reps have a very short screw, so it is hardly operable. So the best is to regulate it via standard regulator, and do not touch the fake swan at all, keeping it in a position where it at least looks like real.
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the "nipple" was also on v4
this defect is also present on v4 ... and v4 you say is from Noob.
and the bad microscrew was on v5, not this v11
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Bad microscrew = too short, and this watch has a short screw. V5 never had nipple, it appeared on V10.
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You are wrong. If you look at any v4 you will see it. And the defective microscrew was the one who unscrewed and fell into the balance wheel
Checked it all again, nipple appeared on V5, which then transformed into V10/11 without any changes.
Microscrew on the current version is way too short, so I call it defective as it does not allow the system to make full adjustment stroke. And to prevent falling it out, you can just screw it all the way down, or use a loctite. I have a modded 127e and it has a wonderful long microscrew, but it also needed to be fully screwed in to stay securely in place.
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friend, sorry, but I invite you to check it better.
the v4 had the nipple but it had a long screw even if useless because the swan eneck is fake (it can be adjusted with the tab below)
the v5 had the nipple and had the short screw that unscrewed and fell into the balance wheel
the v10 and v11 have the nipple and have the short screw, but it does not fall into the balance wheel.
the screw in all cases is useless, whether it is long or short, because the racket is not used to adjust, the tab under it does
I had sold like 50 005s and 111 of pre-V5 era, none of them had nipple. I even have 005 and 127 in front of me (purchased like a year ago), neither of them has the nipple.
Regarding the screw - I saw both long and screws in pre-V5. A couple of years ago there were mixed long and short screws, at the end of life of V4 screws got all long. V5 and latter have only short screw.
For sure it is useless, as does not really stay in a random position, can sit tight only fully screwed in.