PAM Bracelet question *Big Problem*

[maxse]

A question to those of you that have your PAMs on the SS bracelet. Do both of the end-links sit flush to the case.

For some reason on my 001 with the Bracelet from Ruby One side is totally flush but on the other side there is a gap and I can move the end link back and forth form the case with my fingers, but not the other side.

 

[Jurgenk]

mine does the same (196) but not troubling, first time I noticed was after you pointed it out...

 

[guru]

same for me, came on a 250 from Ruby.....have it on a lether strap now

 

[maxse]

gotcha, thanks guys. Anyone know if the gen is same or it should be like that.

I didn't really see the same thing happen on hk45ca's recent pics.

 

[juyaku]

Mine are pretty flush with the case - although there is a tiny gap....005 from Josh.

 

[horologie_unitas]

there are several grades of quality out there....i have seen SS bracelets so very cheaply made....you wanna puke.
then there are the highest grade....i have one on my 111 H that measures 23. 6 mm, that means 0.2mm gap to each side.....which is like the gen.

also you must check if all screws are tight....

 

[jkerouac]

I have a titanium/SS Pam bracelet that came with my 192. I currently have it on my 065 and it sits nice and flush against the case.

 

[maxse]

Okay guys I need some help. I am trying to unscrew the screw that attaches the bracelet to the case... Well it's unscrewed but the screw is not coming out. It seemed to move up a little but now it is just in one place just turning. I tried to use a toothpick to push it out from the other side and no go. Any ideas?\

*EDIT* I just tried the other side and it unscrewed more than the first side but now it got stuck all of a sudden and will not budge at all! I am very disappointed right now because I was about to send it off for mods but now Im not sure what to do.

 

[maxse]

all right guys I need some help. So I managed to pull one screw out. And it turns out that only one side of the lug holes has actually a hole right through it correct? On the other the whole does not fo all the way through right?

Problem is I cant get the screw out on the other side of the case! It just turns and place and is not coming out. In addition I cant seem to be able to screw this one into place. Im starting to freak out a little because I have an appointment to send out the watch in a couple of days and now it seems like I had stripped lug holes in mine (this is what it seems like right). If that's the case, do I have to send the watch back to Ruby and she has to send me a new watch, or is this something that can be fixed?

*EDIT* Okay so here is what I noticed happens on the other screw. The side without the whole ... When I turn to unscrew the screw it turns long with it. And that side is absolutely flat so there is no way to grab it to stop. And the screw that I took out doesnt seem to want to screw back in! I really hope this doesn't mean I need to get the watch replaced.

*EDIT2* Sorry guys about the edits but Im posting as Im working hoping that someone would help out in the meantime... Well you're not gonna believe this. But... Iw as wondering when I first looked at the case without un-screwing it why one side of the lug holes looked deeper than the other.

Well I found my answer. It turns out that one of the screws was actually broken off inside the thread! That is why I initially though only one side has a hole all the way through the case, and the other does not! Because part of the screw was broken in there!
Thats also why I was surprised with the screw on the other side of the case was turning in both places! So I finally got the pins out but now neither will go back in and there is no way to gte the broken part in the lug hole out. I think this is ridiculous. What I suspect happened was originally Ruby made a mistake and got me the watch with a leather strap but then had it changed out for the bracelet, and I suspect in a hurry whoever put the bracelet on the watch must have over-tightened it or something.

But it gets worse! I figured I might have to send the watch back so I started to examine the screws in the bracelet and I noticed that one in particular was crooked. So I tried to unscrew it to see if I can put it in the right way. As soon as I touched the screw the top of it just "fell" right off (and I touched it ever-so-gently) along with some sticky black goo which looked like a bunch of loc-tite. The other 80% of the screw is still in there! Seems like they new the screw was broken and just put the loc-tite in thre to hope that it would just stick. I am extremely disappointed with the quality of this watch thus far. Hopefully Ruby will do the right thing.

Anyway guys what do I do at this point? I was about to send the watch off for mod work but now I dont know what to do.

 

[maxse]

No one can help me out with this?

 

[juyaku]

No one can help me out with this?

I would contact Ruby - at least I would think she would send you a set of springbars?

 

[daytona4me]

dude,, you dont send a rep watch back for this IMO.

Get the end of the screw out (not impossible) , purchase some spring bar PAM style screws from a dealer here ( I think Narikaa was selling some) if not, I have a source..

You might get another one, remove the screw and strip it.. not to mention the shipping cost to send back and then dealer to get it back to you.. then you have more customs risk, etc...

These spring bars go for $10-$15 per set..

 

[hk45ca]

dude,, you dont send a rep watch back for this IMO.

Get the end of the screw out (not impossible) , purchase some spring bar PAM style screws from a dealer here ( I think Narikaa was selling some) if not, I have a source..

You might get another one, remove the screw and strip it.. not to mention the shipping cost to send back and then dealer to get it back to you.. then you have more customs risk, etc...

These spring bars go for $10-$15 per set..

the spring bars won't work with the bracelet. they are too big.

 

[daytona4me]

the spring bars won't work with the bracelet. they are too big.

hmm... I'll go try mine.. maybe I have special ones.. lol...

oh well.. I'll report back..

 

[Natron]

that gap and movement is due to a wrist not being big enough. Hold it up flush like a bigger wrist and you can see what I mean. I have an 063 with a nice quality braclet and there is a small gap. You can try and wedge something from underneith out of sight to hold it tight at all times.

Hope this helps
Natron

 

[daytona4me]

Yep... Spring Bars dont work w/ SS bracelet, they are too wide.

Which sucks because I have 1/2 screw that is stripped and planned to use them on it.
I'll try a different screw I guess...

Good call HK,, learn something new every day!

 

[hk45ca]

Yep... Spring Bars dont work w/ SS bracelet, they are too wide.

Which sucks because I have 1/2 screw that is stripped and planned to use them on it.
I'll try a different screw I guess...

Good call HK,, learn something new every day!

if we ever find some that will work with a bracelet it will be huge news, the spring bars are just toooooo fat. i am afraid max is going to have to send his watch back. those bracelets are very expensive so they will probably change the link that has the screw problem and for the case if they can't remove the broken part of the screw and clean the threads they will change the case. i would contact ruby if i was him. there isn't a easy solution here i am afraid.

put a brand new screw in yours. it will probably work 1 or 2 times and you will have to change it again. if you have a tap the correct size run it through your case and it will stop killing your screws. lol

 

[daytona4me]

Yep, easy fixes should not be sent back to dealers....

This.. not an easy fix.. thus.. you are right.. back to dealer.. Too bad.

 

[hk45ca]

Yep, easy fixes should not be sent back to dealers....

This.. not an easy fix.. thus.. you are right.. back to dealer.. Too bad.

yes, unfortunately sometimes this happens. really this isn't a huge problem unless it needs the case changed, and i doubt that it does. remove the screw from the case and run a tap through it and it will be fixed, change the bracelet, or the offending link with the bad screw and you are done. obviously these are things she would have never seen because she doesn't remove the screws and the bracelet is wrapped in plastic when she gets it so she wouldn't have been able to see that one either. oh well, these things happen from time to time.

max, if your wrist is small it will pull strait down at the end links making a gap between the end link and the case. there are two tabs on the bottom of the end links that you can bend up toward the case making it fit tighter and allowing less movement.

hope this helps, hk

 

[maxse]

thanks for your help guys. I was begining to get worried that no one was going to reply...

Actually my exact plan was to get the spring bars from river to use with straps so I can change them out quickly. And I did find a thread that said they could not be used with the bracelet which really sucks, I hope they comeout with ones that work...

There is no way for me to get the other screw out though. I even talked to Ziggy and he said he would not be able to re-tap it that I would have to send it back. I agree, Ruby would not have caught this but other than that the watch is very good. I'm just disappointed to have such issues on such a nicely built watch...

So you guys think they will just re-tap it? Wouldn't that effectively make the diameter larger?

Also the loose end link is not because of a small wrist problem (although I do not have the biggest in the world) because when I take it off th wrist one moves the other doesn't. However, through my experience now and hkc45a was right on the money, there are two tabs on the other side so I think by bending the other one would fix this problem and make it tighter...
I'm a bit worried to be honest though because Ruby asked me to email her pics of the problem... I did take pics of the broken screws but wouldnt describing what happened be enough?