Yes, curiously enough, only the PAM531 uses this particular movement. All the other 24Hr GMT models like the PAM297, PAM088, PAM089, etc that don't use ETA movements use the OPVIII.
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Pam 531
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Yes, curiously enough, only the PAM531 uses this particular movement. All the other 24Hr GMT models like the PAM297, PAM088, PAM089, etc that don't use ETA movements use the OPVIII.
...and this gen 9003 movement uses the same method of setting date by jumping hour hand as it is in other nowadays Panerai GMT 12 hours movements. Rep movement behaves as 7750 GMT in this regard.
I believe the VSF version is using the V2 P.9001 clone movement, so I would tend to believe Intime's description of 12H GMT. However, that is not as per gen which is 24hr. Not sure why VSF missed this important detail (I mean, the dial screams 24hr GMT). So I would advise getting this PAM, unless you're more bothered about not having P.9000 functions than having a GMT that worked correctly (to its slight credit though, having a working 12 hr GMT movement would enable you to position the GMT hand behind the hour hand as the hour hand also runs on a 12-hour cycle for a cleaner look).
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Yes, strange indeed! The dial screams 24h!
I really like how you think about the 12h GMT makes for a cleaner look when placed under the hour hand.
That said, it would seem there is no super rep 24h GMT PAM currently in production?
There is no current production, but I think the PAM029, PAM088 and the PAM297 are still relatively easy to get.
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Sir, given that any of these were made my Noob couple of years ago and given how reps have come a long way since, would you opine that a new 12h GMT from VSF like the 320 or another would be a better buy?
Case shape, brushing, dial finishing, xtal clarity, lume application, reliability of the manual wind etc
It could potentially save hundreds of dollars worth of mods.
Actually it would not be fair for me to say one model is better than the other. For example the aforementioned models from Noob (and the corresponding release from H-fac) are still the latest versions of these watches. Granted they were made several years ago but that does not diminish their ranking. Unless VSF or XF (which just released a promising version of the PAM000) comes out with their versions of the said watches, like I said, it would be totally unfair to compare A model from factory 1 with B model from factory 2. Compare A model from both factory 1 and factory 2, then we have a common reference.
By the way, a super rep does not need any mods, let alone hundreds of dollars worth of it. That's why it's called a super rep. The law of diminishing returns apply in their case. A gen dial or gen hands or gen CG would definitely be better and move the rep towards absolute perfection, but the cost to achieve it is not practical for most people.
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Sir @PolonusTM , you own a VSF 531, am I right?
So the 531 is a 24h GMT like the Gen but still won't be a super rep or a first class due to other inaccuracies?
The 320 is 12h GMT but gets an inaccurate 24h GMT yet the case etc (same as 312) are considered First class?
Yes, I do own 531. It has correct 24 hrs gmt, but the movement, despite being new one - acts just like modified (gmt) version of 7750 - so setting gmt hand is possible on 2nd position of crown, together with date. On gen you set date by jumping hour hand.... so it is first class; due to complicated movement super rep status is simply impossible.
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Respectfully, I have never operated an A7750 GMT so when you say setting gmt hand is possible on 2nd position of crown with date, it means that with every 24 hour cycle of the GMT hand, we advance the date unlike the gen where we set date by jumping the 12h home-time as a 3-hand?
Let’s imagine regular watch with just a date - when you setting the time, the date changes every two 12 hours cycles. When you set the crown to 2nd position you can quick change date by turning the crown counterclockwise. In case of modified 7750 (gmt) and this movement in this VSF 531 - turning the crown clockwise shifts gmt hand. So turning counterclockwise changes date while doing it clockwise - shifts gmt hand. Not as per gen but convenient anyway.
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Thank you for the detailed explanation!
And it does sound easier
Now to find out if the VSF 320 gets 12h GMT as per Gen or an incorrect 24h!
Thank you for the detailed explanation!
And it does sound easier
Now to find out if the VSF 320 gets 12h GMT as per Gen or an incorrect 24h!
The VSF PAM320 has the incorrect 24h GMT as its movement is the V1 P.9001, not the V2 P.9001 (last version to be released was last April, before the first PAM reps with the V2 movement came out). Please keep comments about other watches in their own model threads just to keep the discussion clear. Thank you.
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Thank you, Sir and duly noted. I didn't mean to start a discussion, waiting for the search function to come back online.
The search function is being worked on as we speak. By the way, my comment on the PAM320 was not coming from the forum threads. It's from a quick search on the dealer websites on what's available. Very helpful, if not for stock check (which mostly is inaccurate). :lol: