PAM 505 - Gen vs. KW vs. ZFac - The point of view of KW

[kuvarsit]

I check my GEN and take picture ,I dont agree with mark's Thread post these days , his some view not base on fact.


Mark's thread about ZF 505 vs KW 505
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=182437


ZF glass is very different with GEN

As mark say , 6:00 Dial "swiss made" kw pam505 more smaller. but ZF pam505 just is same.


ZF Dail " Panerai " all words obvious mistake , ZF more dark than GEN, KW near GEN , pls check







As mark say , 6:00 Dial "swiss made" kw pam505 more smaller. but ZF pam505 just is same. we can check with picture



As P9000 print, different people different view ,
pls check with Gen picture , it is clear , I think ZF violation of common sense. when we look at case back , @12 need on top , @6 need down



ZF case back , all words , just like "swiss made " obvious different with GEN , I hard to think about ZF is make as 1:1 GEN?




As ALE notice that Mark shipping one pcs ZF505 to he for compare , Mark need accepted ALE's neutrality review ,
After ALE's Comparison Review , he know both watch have advantages and flaws at the same time ,
when he dont accepted , he start new thread, need more objective,
But one his thread , it is very subjective and one-sided, just hype and misguided .



ALE‘s Review is equity and impersonality . when 505 kv V1 release, ALE buy one pcs for himself.

but KW v1(no sell ing ) vs ZF is not objectively

when mark shipping one pcs 505 ZF to ALE for compared , KW had upgrade to V3.

It is necessary to compared with ZF lastest 505 now .

 

[ALE7575]

I'm at this moment on trip
The same as it happened with TSWatches thread, I have some comments about above said by KW
As I did in TSW's thread, I will comment this post from KW as soon as possible



In the meanwhile, as commented in TSW's thread too: Please KW and TSW don't turn this thread in a war or I will close the thread

Just explain the features of your watches and the comparisons with the gen or with the other rep.
Both reps are very good and nice but both have advantages and flaws at the same time. Please keep you as objective as possible

PLEASE BE CAREFUL about this subject

ALE

 

[d4m.test]

KW I'm planning to buy 505. You have V3 coming? Now only have V2

 

[kuvarsit]

I'm at this moment on trip
The same as it happened with TSWatches thread, I have some comments about above said by KW
As I did in TSW's thread, I will comment this post from KW as soon as possible



In the meanwhile, as commented in TSW's thread too: Please KW and TSW don't turn this thread in a war or I will close the thread

Just explain the features of your watches and the comparisons with the gen or with the other rep.
Both reps are very good and nice but both have advantages and flaws at the same time. Please keep you as objective as possible

PLEASE BE CAREFUL about this subject

ALE

Thanks for your advice ,Have a good trip.
Your points is corret , comparison need objective as possible, base on fact .

Mark shipping one pcs ZF505 to you for compare , he need accepted your neutrality review ,
After your Comparison Review , he know both watch have advantages and flaws at the same time ,
when he dont accepted your review , he start new thread, need more objective,
But one his thread , it is very subjective and one-sided, just hype and misguided .

KW I'm planning to buy 505. You have V3 coming? Now only have V2

now still call v2, Although upgrade the case srew and some case detail.

 

[ALE7575]

I will make similar comments to this “review†as in TSWatches thread

Thanks KW for giving us this opportunity of a direct comparison GEN- ZFac and KW PAM 505
I will include this link in my PAM GUIDE

It would be very interesting for this forum that dealers publish some informative thread like yours. I’m very grateful for that.

I agree completely with almost all included in your post. Indeed I had included all those features of KW PAM 505 in my complete comparison review ZFac vs. KW PAM 505
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/sho...d.php?t=179812

I have just several matters to be discussed:

1- KW second comparison pic of Crown tube insertion with the case in ZFac and gen is not completely true IMHO. Maybe the angle of your pics is different in both watches. Both reps either ZFac or KW are inaccurate in some way. I prefer the comparison pic in my review, where you can see the real differences in both reps with the gen

No explanations needed, you can see directly the obvious differences in both reps


2- KW L SWISS MADE L inscription is clearly shorter in KW, as it was clearly showed in my review

Whereas ZFac L SWISSS MADE L inscription is accurate but placed higher than gen

3- Inscription of CAL P.9000. I will make the same statements as in TSWactches thread
Since rep movements have inverted layout, the inscriptions can never be the same as gen.
In relation to this matter there are some discussions about inaccuracy of KW versions because the inscription is placed to be read from outside. This placement is not worse than ZFac it is just a different approach to the gen

In Gen CAL P.9000 inscription is placed to be read from the center and inscription finished with P.9000 near the balance wheel.
With an inverted rep layout you cannot get two above mentioned conditions.

Therefore, if you have inscription placed to be read from the center the inscription will start with CAL close to the balance wheel (inaccurate). If you want the inscription finishes with P.9000 close to balance wheel you will need to place the inscription to be read from outside. You cannot keep both conditions

ZFac has just adopted first solution with inaccurate CAL close to the balance wheel
KW has just adopted second solution with inaccurate placement to be read from external side
Therefore IMO it is not fair to say KW P.9000 has wrong placement. It has just another kind of approach to the gen.
Both have some kind of inaccuracy. But I have to admit that, after a lot of observations and studies I like more ZFac solution. But that is a taste matter

Anyway it is important to say that KW fonts are way more accurate than ZFac ones


4- Yes it is true my KW PAM 505 is V1, but I knew that, and therefore I have made comparison with the version V2 too.
We can see that between KW V1 and V2 there are the differences as follows:
- Change of movement from Seagull to A7750. Already compared and considered in my review
- Improvement of caseback inscriptions. Already compared and considered in my review
- Improvement of fixation devices of lug bars. Already compared and considered in my review
- I don’t know about improvements in the case and I have not seen any improvements in this regard.

Therefore I consider valid my comparison and the results of my review


As commented in TSWatches thread, after reading KW thread, I have some comments as follows

a) You have forgotten some better features of KW over ZFac version
- Better Cannon Pinion
- Matching of colours almost perfect
- More accurate Crown

b) In the same way you have forgotten to include some features of ZFac superior to KW version. But this is not the purpose of this thread and I suggest interested people to read my review above mentioned
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/sho...d.php?t=179812
In my opinion, the same as in TSWatches thread, it is a pity, because inclusion of some worse qualities of KW had given more reliability and credibility to your thread

Anyway, thanks for sharing this interesting, and TRUE, info and, as above said, I will include this link in my PAM GUIDE

Waiting for a future next thread from you


All the best
ALE