PAM 441

[erre1150erre]

Hi guys,

I'm getting a little bit confused about all models available regarding PAM 441 rep.

As far as I know, currently there are KW, V6 and (new entry) ZF (without any info available up to now...)

Since I want to be sure to buy the most reliable rep available in the market, which one do I need to buy?

I see also this post from Sead: http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/...41kw-seagull-on-asso-sapphire-ar-full-ceramic

which version is it?

I need to make a triangle shipment (I'm from Italy), any suggestion about dealers making it and offering the watch I'm looking for?

last question, what is the seagull?

thank you!!

 

[chris3007]

The link from sead is a KW version (real ceramic)
And sead offers triangle shipping to EU.

Sent from my iPhone 6

 

[ZoomBoy]

Either the price on this watch has gone down a lot, or that's a lite version of the watch? I'm confused though, and I want this watch personally myself too. Usually these are $400+ and are full ceramic and by KW/V6:

http://pure-time.com/product/pam441-o-real-ceramic-v6f-11-best-edition-on-brown-asso-strap-p9001aa/

 

[nicktan182]

mate kw and v6f are the same. and arguably the best ceramic 441 is this one: http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/...41kw-seagull-on-asso-sapphire-ar-full-ceramic

i have one and it's seriously amazing. the 441 in the link you posted is the same as the one i did, it's kw/v6f ceramic 441 with seagull movement, cheaper than a7750 movement but more reliable and a true workhorse movement.

and seagull is a different type of movement, as compared to the more expensive a7750 movement used in earlier batches of the ceramic 441. it's more expensive because the movement is built and designed to have a chrono function, but the 441 obviously doesn't have chrono function. the seagull movement although beats at a lower rate (21600) as compared to a7750 (28800, which is same as gen i think), so the seconds hand tick slower/less in the seagull as compared to the a7750, but because the seconds hand is so tiny it's pretty damn hard to tell the difference. also, in the seagull movement, the balance wheel is at 6 o'clock position, which is more accurate to gen (which has the balance wheel at 7) than the a7750 which has the balance wheel at 11 oclock. and also, with the 441 having a tinted caseback, the minute details of the movement are "hidden" so to speak.

so to answer your question, buy the one in the link you posted in the thread, it is the kw/v6f ceramic 441 with seagull movement. send sead an email and tell him you want one. his email is [email protected]

as for triangle shipping, i cant help you there cos i live in australia and thus have never needed triangle shipping, but i'm sure any of the members here from europe can help you out with that.

cheers

 

[nicktan182]

Either the price on this watch has gone down a lot, or that's a lite version of the watch? I'm confused though, and I want this watch personally myself too. Usually these are $400+ and are full ceramic and by KW/V6:

http://pure-time.com/product/pam441-o-real-ceramic-v6f-11-best-edition-on-brown-asso-strap-p9001aa/

this is the one with the seagull movement mate. well known that the seagull movement is a lot cheaper than a7750, which is the movement used in the $400+ versions of the ceramic 441. it's not a "lite" version, it's just a cheaper movement.

 

[ZoomBoy]

Great, that explains a lot. Thanks for the info on this - I agree, saving money over the 7750 is great and makes this watch even more affordable.

 

[nicktan182]

Great, that explains a lot. Thanks for the info on this - I agree, saving money over the 7750 is great and makes this watch even more affordable.

no worries. and the seagull movement is also much more reliable than the 7750. it's win-win to get the seagull tbh

 

[ALE7575]

Thanks for above interesting explanations

Be careful about this matter because some dealers are calling Seagull version "LITE" and IT IS NOT AT ALL "LITE"
Seagull version is more accurate and even more reliable and BESIDES CHEAPER, but this is because Seagull is cheaper than A7750. And A7750 has a lot of features no needed in a non-chrono watch

I would buy always decorated Seagull if available.
The new version of decorated Seagull KP9001-Seagull V2 with correct (non-inverted) layout is really interesting

Just to clarify this matter

ALE

 

[erre1150erre]

Hi all,

I asked Sead about the model:

Hi Sead,

I've just seen your offer on RWI about the PAM 441 KW at 299$. Is that the best rep 1:1 available so far?
there are so many versions up to now, that I'm starting get confusing...


answer from Sead:

hellono the best one is the ultimate that is 429 plus shipping
but the 299 one is verryyy good too, i highly recomend it



So now I don't know if he is referring only to the movement or also the the quality of the watch in general. I would like to have the watch closest to the original one.


@ALE7575
where did you find the seagull v2 version?

thank you

 

[nicktan182]

got mine from Sead befire cny, has the new updated v2 movement

 

[kilowattore]

Hi all,

I asked Sead about the model:

Hi Sead,

I've just seen your offer on RWI about the PAM 441 KW at 299$. Is that the best rep 1:1 available so far?
there are so many versions up to now, that I'm starting get confusing...


answer from Sead:

hellono the best one is the ultimate that is 429 plus shipping
but the 299 one is verryyy good too, i highly recomend it



So now I don't know if he is referring only to the movement or also the the quality of the watch in general. I would like to have the watch closest to the original one.


@ALE7575
where did you find the seagull v2 version?

thank you

Dealers do not specify the movement version.
This KW PAM 441 has the v2 seagull movement as already stated by nicktan, and that would be my choice as well.

I think Sead answered you clearly, the recommended version is the seagull one (299). Of course you must understand that dealers are here to sell the watches, not to give you assistance with your choices. Researching on models and versions is up to you

 

[ALE7575]

Everything about all versions is explained in PAM GUIDE with links to the different models.

If you like the last non-inverted Seagull, search the rep from KW-V6Fac fitted with the movement KP9001-Seagull V2

ALE

 

[erre1150erre]

Thank you guys!

I'm going to buy it. He offered me as payment method pp or wu. But wu is very exepnsive... why??
then when I'll receive the QC pics, can I post them here to get advice from you guys?

thank you.

 

[NiQ]

Check pam guide from ale

 

[ALE7575]

Thank you guys!

I'm going to buy it. He offered me as payment method pp or wu. But wu is very exepnsive... why??
then when I'll receive the QC pics, can I post them here to get advice from you guys?

thank you.

QC pics are NOT AT ALL allowed without some clear flaw to be commented

If you like to verify the movement or version consult PAM GUIDE
All the PAM 441 versions are commented and evaluated, even with pics of the movement

ALE

 

[nicktan182]

Thank you guys!

I'm going to buy it. He offered me as payment method pp or wu. But wu is very exepnsive... why??
then when I'll receive the QC pics, can I post them here to get advice from you guys?

thank you.

Its expensive because theres WU admin fees for using their service. but dealers usually give a slight discount on the watch to help offset the WU fees. Sead definitely does you just have to ask him.

 

[Agip_skf]

I'm also looking at the 441 but see one with the a7750 and the other with j23, is the j23 the "seagull" everyone is talking about? It is the cheaper version of the two.

 

[Agip_skf]

Ok well i'm not sure how many version of the 441 ceramic there are. But I found a TD showing the watch and listing it with the seagull movement. Order placed! cant wait.

 

[Agip_skf]

Got my QC pics in today, everything looks fine, but hard to really see with the case being so dark. I've been reading other threads and seems like this watch is vary polarizing, some people just absolutly hate it and feel that Paneria has jumped the shark in making this by turning there back on there traditional style. I love it and reading about the process in making the ceramic case is amazing who thinks up this stuff, I guess i'm not that creative.

 

[Agip_skf]

Received my V6f PAM441 today with seagull movement, and I have 2 initial impressions

1. The second hand ticks like an old clock, and does not sweep (as noted earlier in this thread) it's very obvious and is bothering me as my other PAMS have the 7750 movement with the sweeping second hand

2. The case back is missing the first "C" and has an "O" in ceramic, reads like this
"LUMINOR1950OERAMIC"
very disappointing as it was advertised as new updated model with correct spelling, can not see in the qc pics because it's so dark

Otherwise very nice watch, I never take off my watchs and hand it to someone, nor do I ever try to pass my reps off as Gen (let people belive what they will, if they ask I tell them but most have no idea what Panerai, U-Boat, Patek Pillip, etc even are), so the misspelling while anoiying is moot, on the other hand the ticking of the second hand will keep me from showing this watch off as it looks like I picked it up for $50 on a street corner in NY