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Pam 416 KW with correct lume structure

kampachi

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[MENTION=35350]ALE7575[/MENTION] mine was something like that :) but very shallow recess effect but enough to show the gen like appearance


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Thatoneguy

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[MENTION=77371]kampachi[/MENTION] - I am using an iPhone and I think that trick worked - take a look at some closer macro photos below:
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kampachi

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Okay, here is my observation.

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These are the three possibilities of the lume application for rep dials while the first (over sausaged) is commonly seen. You can see from the pics posted by thatoneguy that the the dial probably has a very shallow 'space' for the lume to be applied on and usually they are 'messy' as edges are not fully filled. Therefore, these empty edges create a fake impression of 'cavity' or 'recessed dial' that we speak of. Another fake illusion is created when a lume is slightly higher than the dial, therefore casting the shadow outside of the lume thus the impression of recessed dial. It's hard to explain in words but these are my opinions from studying my 411 dial under the loupe.

The effect you see on gen dial is a result of a perfect and consistent lume application on the lume space (or whatever you call it). The edges of the lume space is slightly curved, just like the illustration on ale's diagram. I've studied a Pam005 and 000 upclose and the difference is huge in real life. With gens, you see a really nice consistent recessed effect but with my 411 rep, its more like a drain surrounding the lume lol. Anyway without a gen beside, one can be tricked into thinking that its a gen dial.
 

kampachi

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there is also this possibility (picture credit to ALE from this thread: http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/222086-All-New-H-Factory-411/page2)

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this seems to be what the new H-Fac 41X series have now, I just received my 412 from Toro and the lume looks to be flat with the dial, but has what looks like a small channel around the edge just like in ALE's diagram.

Yes indeed. I have explained jt above (with a drain surrounding the lume). Same observation on my 411 from the thread.


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NickOT

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Yes indeed. I have explained jt above (with a drain surrounding the lume). Same observation on my 411 from the thread.


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sorry I just wanted to add that option as your diagram only shows over sausged lume, recessed lume or inconsistent lume, but the new 41Xs seem to have flat lume which is level with the dial.
 

kampachi

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sorry I just wanted to add that option as your diagram only shows over sausged lume, recessed lume or inconsistent lume, but the new 41Xs seem to have flat lume which is level with the dial.

No worries mate. Well thats what i thought until i decided to look at the dial under the loupe. Its quite sausaged and under certain lighting, the lume pops out more. Whatever it is, for the price that they are selling these pams, its more than you can bargain for lol. For me, the issues with the case bugs me more :)


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M424

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The pictures are fantastic to check the detailing. Good job!
 

ALE7575

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Thanks guys for your kind cooperation studies and comments
Thanks Thatoneguy for your last pics. From them we can think that real lume structure could be something between my two diagrams above showed.


I have contacted directly Kuvarsit asking for two separate new KW dials of 41X Boutique and 005

I hope to get them at the end of June

Since the dials will be separate from the case I will be able to get a better info about the lume structure

If necessary (and possible) I will cut the dial to get a section like showed in above diagrams

Unfortunately I'm very busy a work lastly. Please be patient

ALE