PAM 217, Davidsen or EddieLee that's the question

[jcnunez]

Hi mates,

I need some help to choose the best option from one of these dealers. I'm pretty sure that both are great vendors, that's not the question.

Everyone seems to prefer Davidsen when we talk about PAM's, but looking the images in the Eddie Lee web book, personally I see more polished details in Eddie's watches. I have been looking for details as the serial production number, or the case back engravement, and I think that match better in this case too.

In the other hand, I don't know if EddieLee aply superlume to the dials, or if the watch would be serviced and checked to 3 ATM as Davidsen do.

Anyone have any experience with both models? The price differences are not important at the moment :wink:

For a better reference:

http://s39.photobucket.com/albums/e186/300thomas/PNENEREI%20GALLERY/0001%20AA%20C%20CLASS/217H%20ADJ%20SN/?action=view&current=69f9a6bb.jpg]Eddie Lee[/url]
Davidsen

Thanks in advanced!!

 

[hooligan]

EL's appears to have VERY green lume, not to mention a recessed cannon pin and a needle style regulator.

By contrast, Davidsen's only real flaw is the E series caseback (from the Fiddy) when it should be H series.

IMO, DSN's is much more accurate "on the wrist".

 

[babola]

Eddie Lee ? Nah, he ain't got one any more...not as good as DSN's anyway.

babola

 

[subzero1]

DSN's new E series movement is much better than EL's.

 

[Bigrahizzle]

i Would say TWP All the WAY. Sorry dont have feedback on the other two dealers. But TWP's modded PAMS are nice. But he has only a few models. Check his site. http://www.watchgroup.net

 

[hooligan]

DSN's new E series movement is much better than EL's.

Except the 217 doesn't use the E movement, it uses the H series CdG movement. :wink:

 

[jcnunez]

DSN's new E series movement is much better than EL's.

Except the 217 doesn't use the E movement, it uses the H series CdG movement. :wink:

What's the difference between E and H series movement ? What's the meaning of "CdG movement"?

Thanks for all your replies!!!

 

[babola]

What's the difference between E and H series movement ? What's the meaning of "CdG movement"?

Search engine is your friend...you've got quite a lot to read about, it seems

babola

 

[jcnunez]

Good advice babola,

I found that GDC is the acronym for "Côtes de Genève", a type of movement decoration. Point one fixed, let's to the next :wink:

I have read a lot of posts about the E and H movements, and the mainly ideas that I collected are that both of them are based on 6497-1 (ETA non UNITAS). The movement details are better finished on the "Swiss" 6497's (E mov seems to be less Asian that the H one). I have read too that "...Parts fit and finish is up to ETA standards, not Asian standards". All the way, my impression is that all people prefer the E-series.

It's possible that DS, change the movement and the case back in this watch to get a closer rep ?
In that case, it would have to wait for the upgraded version, or is that a minor flaw?

Thanks in advanced for all your opinions.

 

[jcnunez]

And for the non initiated, I have found an article about the cannon pin problem very well explained, written by Ziggy, with a lot of IMG's

 

[triple-d]

Personally, I'm not that picky about the movement if it runs good. I really don't know of many people that can tell one movement from another, except on this forum.
My neighbors wife doesn't even know what a Panerai is, let alone if a movement is correct for the watch.

If you are really into the collecting, and small details, and working on the watches, it will matter to you. I just enjoy the watches for what they are.

I buy a watch just because I like the looks of it, not because a watchsmith will open it up and say...."man you have a very good looking movement in this replica watch son".

Personally, if the choice is DSN, or EL.......DSN hands down. You get alot of bang for the buck, and he will get you parts for his watches. Most dealers sell you the watch, if you need parts......they forget who you are.

 

[hooligan]

Good advice babola,

I found that GDC is the acronym for "Côtes de Genève", a type of movement decoration. Point one fixed, let's to the next :wink:

I have read a lot of posts about the E and H movements, and the mainly ideas that I collected are that both of them are based on 6497-1 (ETA non UNITAS). The movement details are better finished on the "Swiss" 6497's (E mov seems to be less Asian that the H one). I have read too that "...Parts fit and finish is up to ETA standards, not Asian standards". All the way, my impression is that all people prefer the E-series.

It's possible that DS, change the movement and the case back in this watch to get a closer rep ?
In that case, it would have to wait for the upgraded version, or is that a minor flaw?

Thanks in advanced for all your opinions.

JC, I dunno that the DSN's E series movements (with the grafitti style "PANERAIPANERAIPANERAI" decoration) are better finished/more "Swiss" than the CdG H series movements. I think the bigger draw to the E movement is that it's cosmetically more accurate to the genuine.

You ask if it's possible that Davidsen "changed the movement and the case back in this watch to get a closer rep?". I'm assuming you are saying "changed" from what his Fiddy uses? If so, that's just the movement, not the caseback. As I said above, the only real flaw with DSN's 217 is that it is using his Fiddy case back (E serial number, and a production total of 1950, instead of H serial number and a production total of 1000). There is also the matter of the "Officine Panerai" being engraved upside down, but no other makers have a confirmed alternative movement with the correct orientation on the brand engraving.

I would suggest you email Davidsen and ask if he is going to be producing a 217 case back. That's the easiest/best way to find out. Quite frankly, anyone who is "in the know" enough to know the case back markings are incorrect, will be able to tell it's a rep anyway.

I hope this helps.

 

[jcnunez]

triple-d, you are right... I am obsessing too much with this type of details. I only want to be really sure with my decision, so I'll try to contact DS.

Thanks to all for your help and patience.

Your commentaries have been very helpful for my, I hope to be able to post soon my impressions about the clock, if it'is available :?

 

[triple-d]

Good luck and we will be looking foreword to seeing that beauty!!! :lol: :lol:

 

[JOEJOEJOE]

For 217, I would go with DSN

 

[sollie]

You ask if it's possible that Davidsen "changed the movement and the case back in this watch to get a closer rep?". I'm assuming you are saying "changed" from what his Fiddy uses? If so, that's just the movement, not the caseback. As I said above, the only real flaw with DSN's 217 is that it is using his Fiddy case back (E serial number, and a production total of 1950, instead of H serial number and a production total of 1000). There is also the matter of the "Officine Panerai" being engraved upside down, but no other makers have a confirmed alternative movement with the correct orientation on the brand engraving.

I would suggest you email Davidsen and ask if he is going to be producing a 217 case back. That's the easiest/best way to find out. Quite frankly, anyone who is "in the know" enough to know the case back markings are incorrect, will be able to tell it's a rep anyway.

I hope this helps.

Hi all. I recently purchased a 217 from Davidsen. He uses the correct caseback.

Now as far as the "Officine Panerai" being engraved upside down goes, I believe that there is a school of thought that suggests that it is supposed to be upside down and Panerai has purposefully posted incorrect photos about this. But maybe someone else can chime in about the specifics of that...

 

[hooligan]

Hi all. I recently purchased a 217 from Davidsen. He uses the correct caseback.

Now as far as the "Officine Panerai" being engraved upside down, I believe that there is a school of thought that suggests that it is supposed to be upside down and Panerai has purposefully posted incorrect photos about this. But maybe someone else can chime in about the specifics of that...

That is excellent news, sollie!

The pics on Panerai.com show the engraving upside down just like the reps. However, real pics of 217s "in the wild" have shown it to be right side up, the opposite of what is shown on the Panerai website and the opposite of how the reps are.

 

[sattop]

DSN is the person to go to.

 

[sollie]

Yes. This is what I thought. Panerai posts a purposefully incorrect photo on their website, probably to throw off the rep maker. Maybe DSN will correct this issue in future versions of the 217. However, I doubt you would ever come across someone who would be that familiar with this model to truly know the difference.

 

[sexybeast]

so the consensus is to ask davidsen to fix the upside down engraving and we all will buy the the new 217