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PAM 112h by DNS - Review
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I am not saying that he you are flaming DSN. I just simply said that if you read up more on DSNs watches before you bought, you would have known about the CG pin and lever and that you would have had to mod them yourself. These are not issues, and should be thrown out as problems. Same thing with the lume.
I would be a little upset about the brown strap when I clearly ordered black, but that would not be a huge concern to me either, as his straps would immediately come off anyway for a CBR or Tootall.
That crystal, however, is unexcusable. I would not have a watchsmith reseat it. Too much money for a crystal that is still either scratched or just plain bad. I would e-mail DSN and have him replace the watch for this. It will cost you a little extra to ship back to him, but will be cheaper than a new crystal and having it set. The crystal is just poor QC on DSN's part, but he will always make good on his mistakes, so you have nothing to worry about.
P.S. - the CG pin flattening and lever tightening are a piece of cake. Both can be done with basic household objects. Nice and easy.
I would be a little upset about the brown strap when I clearly ordered black, but that would not be a huge concern to me either, as his straps would immediately come off anyway for a CBR or Tootall.
That crystal, however, is unexcusable. I would not have a watchsmith reseat it. Too much money for a crystal that is still either scratched or just plain bad. I would e-mail DSN and have him replace the watch for this. It will cost you a little extra to ship back to him, but will be cheaper than a new crystal and having it set. The crystal is just poor QC on DSN's part, but he will always make good on his mistakes, so you have nothing to worry about.
P.S. - the CG pin flattening and lever tightening are a piece of cake. Both can be done with basic household objects. Nice and easy.
Of course, only you can decide what is best. But I can assure you, if you explain the matter to DSN, and return it to him, he will absolutely correct the issues. If you do not elect to bring him into the solution, I don't see that you really can complain.
My 2 cents.
My 2 cents.
Yep, sorry, I just looked at the picture quickly this morning. My apologies. Your crystal is buggered all the way around. Other than that, the watch looks good.
Honestly, what I would do is have DSN send me another crystal and have someone in Germany install it for you. I wouldn't risk sending the watch back to Hong Kong.
Agree the strap thing is a problem, but how many Dsn's are really destined to stay on the stock strap?? I've read a couple of times that his straps are of better than average quality, but I'll bet more than 90% are on other straps that were subsequently ordered by the new owner... S'part of the territory!
I'd say be patient and persistent and try to work out a solution w/DSN. Use member feedback to figure out how far to go in seeking perfection. Above all, keep communications straightforward and simple - it's not gonna work to go back and forth eight times trying to get it right/perfect.
I'd say be patient and persistent and try to work out a solution w/DSN. Use member feedback to figure out how far to go in seeking perfection. Above all, keep communications straightforward and simple - it's not gonna work to go back and forth eight times trying to get it right/perfect.
Be warned: if you have problems with DSN's watches, you most certainly will have problems with his straps. From what I've read, his are among the better rep. straps, but a good PAM rep cries out for something really special. The rep. straps (all of them) simply look cheap in my opinion. If you accept this as a given, getting the rep. strap is no problem. It goes into the bottom drawer and you order something beautiful from one of our strap makers. Final thought: yes, $420 is a heck of a pile of money for a rep watch, but then what's the price of a genuine 112? I'd suggest that DSN's reps are far closer than 1/10 to looking genuine.
I too have had quality control issues with Davidsen, and they should not be there. This is, however, a dodgy hobby based upon copyright and patent infringements. Thus I suspect that quality issues will always be the nature of the beast. Davidsen has always come through for me and rectified problems--all of which have cost me money and aggravation. That too is part of the game. You can avoid all these issues by going to an authorized dealer and buying the genuine article--and feel selfrighteous about it to boot
I too have had quality control issues with Davidsen, and they should not be there. This is, however, a dodgy hobby based upon copyright and patent infringements. Thus I suspect that quality issues will always be the nature of the beast. Davidsen has always come through for me and rectified problems--all of which have cost me money and aggravation. That too is part of the game. You can avoid all these issues by going to an authorized dealer and buying the genuine article--and feel selfrighteous about it to boot
Hi,if i paid 420 dollars for that watch i would send it back and i don't think its fair that you should be at the loss of the shipping cost as the watch has several obvious faults.i don't agree with people who say keep it and fix it yourself,420 dollars is a lot of money for a rep.
When I ordered my 111h I noticed it had scratches on the indices of the dial. Quite noticeable. Sent him pics. He agreed to replace it.
I spent 7 dollars to ship it back via registered airmail. While it was in transit he sent me a free croc strap with deployment buckle. Also, when he got my watch he told me he has sent it back with straps. So I guess I will recieve another pair of straps.
Right now I'm hoping that the new one doesn't have any flaws.
The main problem with him is quite poor communication: I told him several times to send it with a deploy clasp in the first place but got a brown strap (although it does look quite good once you vintage it up a bit), told him to send me pics of the watch he will be sending to me - didn't get them. Also the shoddy QC.
I spent 7 dollars to ship it back via registered airmail. While it was in transit he sent me a free croc strap with deployment buckle. Also, when he got my watch he told me he has sent it back with straps. So I guess I will recieve another pair of straps.
Right now I'm hoping that the new one doesn't have any flaws.
The main problem with him is quite poor communication: I told him several times to send it with a deploy clasp in the first place but got a brown strap (although it does look quite good once you vintage it up a bit), told him to send me pics of the watch he will be sending to me - didn't get them. Also the shoddy QC.
Is this a damn DSN bashing session now?
Get over it, its not a genuine its a replica and some are bound to have problems!!! DSN does his best to make these watches at high demand and get all of them out in a timely manner, to avoid people bitching about not getting their watches yesturday!!! If you have a problem work it out with him until its time for moderators/admins to get involved!!!! Jesus Christ the bashing and teaming up sessions on our generous and hard working watch makers/dealers needs to stop!
Get over it, its not a genuine its a replica and some are bound to have problems!!! DSN does his best to make these watches at high demand and get all of them out in a timely manner, to avoid people bitching about not getting their watches yesturday!!! If you have a problem work it out with him until its time for moderators/admins to get involved!!!! Jesus Christ the bashing and teaming up sessions on our generous and hard working watch makers/dealers needs to stop!
i just reread this thread and i have to say, i see it that it comes more in favor of dsn being a GOOD dealer. like any of our dealers he always resolves his problems if there are any. i wouldnt think twice about buying from him.
Hi,i am not bashing anyone just expressing my opinion ,at 420 dollars i don't think it is too much to ask that the watch is checked for faults before it is shipped.i am not talking about accuracy here but obvious faults in the structure of the watch.
fitz, you are correct. DSNs QC has slipped as of late. Shame on him for trying to crank out enough watches to comply with the mounds of orders he gets. Shame on him for not conforming to everyone in the world's standards. Shame on him for having flaws that he missed and still send the watch out. Shame on him for not being able to single handedly crank out hundreds of 1:1 replicas. Just pitiful. We should all grab our torches and pichforks and have ourselves a good old fashioned lynching. Or better yet, I will post a public thread showing everyone that I think DSN is horrible, and then other people will join in and it will be a virtual public lynching.
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fitz, you are correct. DSNs QC has slipped as of late. But instead of making a thread and complaining, try other alternatives. E-mail DSN and see if there is anything the two of you can work out because he is trying hard to make exceptional watches and things happen from time to time. I am sure that David will be more than willing to do something to make it right. You usually have to pay the shipping back to David to have the watch replaced, but he makes up for it usually; like sending an extra strap that you can sell to make that shipping money back. If Davidsen is un-cooperative or just will not help you out with your problem, then quietly PM an admin or moderator, and they will help to resolve the issue.
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fitz, you are correct. DSNs QC has slipped as of late. But instead of making a thread and complaining, try other alternatives. E-mail DSN and see if there is anything the two of you can work out because he is trying hard to make exceptional watches and things happen from time to time. I am sure that David will be more than willing to do something to make it right. You usually have to pay the shipping back to David to have the watch replaced, but he makes up for it usually; like sending an extra strap that you can sell to make that shipping money back. If Davidsen is un-cooperative or just will not help you out with your problem, then quietly PM an admin or moderator, and they will help to resolve the issue.
Hi,its not me i am just commenting on the problem,you mentioned torches and pitchforks but don't forget the rope.
Ok, please stop.
I never wanted that this go so far. I think thats now discussion on the lowest stage. Maybe there are some who project to much emotions in that theme.
Or maybe it was my fault and i had to choose another way and first contact DSN before i write in this forum but...
...i thought this is a free forum and im free to put forward my opinion. Also i thought we are here among others, to join our experiences and maybe help others with it. Maybe to warn or maybe to prepare them. Never mind.
I think almost every thread up here is a enrichment for everyone so please try to treat each other in a fair way.
To close up the discussion:
I wrote DSN an email and he answered that he will send me a new crystal.
I agree with that but i also asked if he would send me the missing BLACK leather strap to clear the cost of the crystal change. He agree with that, too.
I will make the required mods on my own and change the crystal and then i will make a new review...maybe a better one.
I never wanted that this go so far. I think thats now discussion on the lowest stage. Maybe there are some who project to much emotions in that theme.
Or maybe it was my fault and i had to choose another way and first contact DSN before i write in this forum but...
...i thought this is a free forum and im free to put forward my opinion. Also i thought we are here among others, to join our experiences and maybe help others with it. Maybe to warn or maybe to prepare them. Never mind.
I think almost every thread up here is a enrichment for everyone so please try to treat each other in a fair way.
To close up the discussion:
I wrote DSN an email and he answered that he will send me a new crystal.
I agree with that but i also asked if he would send me the missing BLACK leather strap to clear the cost of the crystal change. He agree with that, too.
I will make the required mods on my own and change the crystal and then i will make a new review...maybe a better one.
Good decision made. get it resolve with the seller.
A piece of advise, Replica never = to Gen. It will never be a gen even after heavy mod. The fun of replica is it could be mod and look really close to gen. The fun is in modification of these replica. It is still a good watch with good function.
Should you put these watches in your wrist, unless a very close look, I don't think anyone could spot it as a replica easily. Enjoy the rep , have fun. don't take in seriously on others comment.
A piece of advise, Replica never = to Gen. It will never be a gen even after heavy mod. The fun of replica is it could be mod and look really close to gen. The fun is in modification of these replica. It is still a good watch with good function.
Should you put these watches in your wrist, unless a very close look, I don't think anyone could spot it as a replica easily. Enjoy the rep , have fun. don't take in seriously on others comment.
I have absolutely no problems with your post and I think you went the right route with getting replacement parts shipped to you and have the watch fixed locally. I've read way too many horror stories about watches sent back to China never reaching their destination and then you're out of luck.
I got a 172 watch from DSN 2 weeks ago went great, ordering another one im sure it will go just as good as last! HES a stand up DEALER.