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PAM 111N V3 from noob factory just arrived !!!!So long wait is really wrth :)

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NO ANSWER- So I repeat post

NO ANSWER- So I repeat post
This is the real matter, So it is interesting an answer !!!!!!!!!!!

Toro says:
"PAM 111N V3 from noob factory just arrived !!!!So long wait is really worth :)"

Could we know why the wait is really worth, Please ????

Please: CONCRETE differences with previous versions

Or it is just that this V3 includes all previous improvements, promised but not included in previous versions?
I'm afraid this is the matter

ALE

BTW: Swan Neck screw continues being SHORT as always
And interesting gap indicated by jonnyknox
 

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It has upgrade case back deep engraeved , same as V2.5

Pre-V hands

Correct CG roller leve

Better QC out from factory

For the movement Swan Neck screw and the pin can be adjust easy without gap :) , this is not a fualt

NO ANSWER- So I repeat post
This is the real matter, So it is interesting an answer !!!!!!!!!!!

Toro says:
"PAM 111N V3 from noob factory just arrived !!!!So long wait is really worth :)"

Could we know why the wait is really worth, Please ????

Please: CONCRETE differences with previous versions

Or it is just that this V3 includes all previous improvements, promised but not included in previous versions?
I'm afraid this is the matter

ALE

BTW: Swan Neck screw continues being SHORT as always
And interesting gap indicated by jonnyknox
 

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Niceee send send send! I'll be checking my email all day waiting for the qc pics haha
 

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THE BEST CURRENT Replica of PAM 111 -> N-series V3 Noob

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PLEASE DON'T BE WRONG!!!
Really I'm not trying to attack the Noob replica. It is very known I'm a Noob fan. And I am sure that PAM 111 N-series V3 from Noob is the best current replica of PAM 111.

But JUST I would like to define clearly what are the real improvements in V3 versions in order to KNOW WHAT WE SHOULD EXPECT FROM A PAM 111 N-series V3 NOOB Factory !!!!!
Because we are several month discussing about PAM 111 N Noob versions without any concrete information about.
Nowadays we have not YET reply about what are V1, V2, V2,5, V3...versions
See:http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pam-v1-vs-109433
In above thread, all people , you included (and mainly), were asked for info about this matter without success.
Please, we must have a concrete reply from the maker in order to know the real thing.

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Starting with real things:

We Know that in the real size these things have no importance. OF COURSE !!

BUT THIS IS a GAP not a REFLECTION

PAM111NNoob-CGGapTORO.jpg


ANYWAY NO WORRIES ABOUT THAT

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Open the backcase just push little bit then no gap , it is adjustable

Oh! My friend I guess this is a joke !!

"...It is adjustable..."
Is there any Swan Neck screw non adjustable in the current good replicas ??
LIKE IN ALL REPLICAS the fault is not the lack of regulation, the fault is the lack of the tensile strengh in the Swan Neck spring.
Obviously, there is a gap in your pics between the tip of the screw and the regulator lever (red arrow) and the Swan Neck spring has not tensile strengh to fill the gap. This is the fault !!! Like in ALL REPLICAS. Read:
“SWAN NECK†(Part II) – Does it work in replicas?

Anyway, curiously in this case, since the screw is SHORT (like all Noob screws), the regulation of the screw is at the end (green arrow), you could not tightening the screw to reach the regulator lever !!!
Therefore, and moreover, in this concrete sample, it woul not be possible the "adjustement" you are talking about.
SORRY, Concerning Swan Neck and movement : ALL IS THE SAME AS PREVIOUS VERSIONS. THERE IS NO CHANGE

PAM111NNoob-SWANNECKgapTORO.jpg


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Here are 3 pics just taken , hope can help u to see

NO CG gap
N9yin.jpg


No gap Swan neck pin with screw
b83CD.jpg


Timegrapher pic
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I think with this price what we can request more from Noob factory ?

Oh! My friend I guess this is a joke !!

"...It is adjustable..."
Is there any Swan Neck screw non adjustable in the current good replicas ??
LIKE IN ALL REPLICAS the fault is not the lack of regulation, the fault is the lack of the tensile strengh in the Swan Neck spring.
Obviously, there is a gap in your pics between the tip of the screw and the regulator lever (red arrow) and the Swan Neck spring has not tensile strengh to fill the gap. This is the fault !!! Like in ALL REPLICAS. Read:
“SWAN NECK†(Part II) – Does it work in replicas?

Anyway, curiously in this case, since the screw is SHORT (like all Noob screws), the regulation of the screw is at the end (green arrow), you could not tightening the screw to reach the regulator lever !!!
Therefore, and moreover, in this concrete sample, it woul not be possible the "adjustement" you are talking about.
SORRY, Concerning Swan Neck and movement : ALL IS THE SAME AS PREVIOUS VERSIONS. THERE IS NO CHANGE

PAM111NNoob-SWANNECKgapTORO.jpg


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Can someone please explain to me what i am looking for in that timegrapher pic? am i looking at something good?
 

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Here are 3 pics just taken , hope can help u to see
NO CG gap
No gap Swan neck pin with screw
Timegrapher pic
I think with this price what we can request more from Noob factory ?

I'm going to clarify again my position:

- I'M A NOOB FACTORY FAN

- THE PAM 111 N-series Noob V3 IS THE BEST CURRENT REPLICA OF PAM111

- FOR THE PRICE OF THIS REPLICA IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO ACHIEVE BETTER RESULTS. CONGRATS NOOB !!!

- I DON'T WANT TO ATTACK THIS REPLICA. I JUST WOULD LIKE TO KNOW DEFINITIVELY WHAT ARE THE REAL IMPROVEMENTS WE CAN EXPECT WHEN WE BUY THIS V3 VERSION. THAT'S ALL !!


That said I would add:

- There is a gap CG-case in the sample of the first pics
- There is no gap in the sample of the second shown pic

- The Swan Neck device of these V3 are EXACTLY the same as previous Noob reps.
In the first replica the tip of the screw doesn't touch the regulator lever
In the second one is the Swan Neck spring which doesn't touch the regulator lever (red arrow) and the screw is at the end too

PAM111NV3NoobToro-GAPSwanNeck2.jpg


This is not a problem, as you can see in my threads about SN, but the real thing is that the Swan Neck device is EXACTLY the same in V3 as previous versions. See about that the Noob Swan Neck of the last yaer replicas here: “SWAN NECK†(Part III) – Statistical Analysis of faults and reliability in replicas
Anyway, I have never understood why Noob doesn't use a long screw like H maker or the gens.

- There are no modifications in the movement

- The V3 version has PRE-V hands, like a lot of previous V-"I-don't-know" replicas

- We assume that V3 has single AR, but it is not specified

- V3 version has N-series deeply engraved caseback, like a lot of previous V-"I-don't-know" replicas.

- The position of the horizontal "A" bar in Panerai is corrected, like in previous versions.

- The CG has beautiful square inner edges, like other previous versions

- V3 has correct CG roller. I didn't know about this issue in previous verions. So i cannot talk about that.

Therefore the only "NEW" improvement would be the ROLLER. But unfortunately I don't know what is the real improvement. Please clarify.

And there is another "improvement" which you are talking about:
"Better QC out from factory"
Really I don't beleve it. And nobody will be able to prove it. But concerning this QC subject I prefer don't talk because we cannot request more of a watch for such a price

SINCERELY, CONGRATS AGAIN NOOB FOR THIS ALMOST PERFECT REPLICA !!! AND MOREOVER, WITH VERY GOOD PRICE !!!

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Information is good. I love being an informed customer.

That said, I preordered long ago and I am super excited with todays news!
 

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I received my QC pics earlier today, can't wait for it to arrive!! :cheers:
 

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QC pics done, now mail wait time!
Does Toro provide a tracking number once sent??