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one smart mofo
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The person doing this is rather well known on the Repforums.
Seems a bit like live organ donation, but it is an interesting experiment. We'll hope that he's not left with a few parts that no one wants while at the same time losing money. It looks like the "face" pieces are going strong while the background stuff is not doing so well :?
Seems a bit like live organ donation, but it is an interesting experiment. We'll hope that he's not left with a few parts that no one wants while at the same time losing money. It looks like the "face" pieces are going strong while the background stuff is not doing so well :?
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While I can appreciate the reasoning behind the idea, I just can't bear seeing an awesome watch like that torn apart. Hope it works out and he not left holding the bag, with parts left over and losing on the money end. Some caught this over on Paneristi and he mentioned he was hoping to use the funds for another Pam purchase I guess we'll see how it all plays out.
Can anyone confirm that he's actually parting out a real watch -- as opposed to a modded rep? I have to agree, however, that his dial does looks like the real McCoy.
this is 100% the real deal...each and every part. actually a smart idea. he would propably get for this watch 4.000 $....used as it is.
in this way.....he might end up getting $ 6000.
i buy gen Pams now also....and sell one in parts every week. smart move !
in this way.....he might end up getting $ 6000.
i buy gen Pams now also....and sell one in parts every week. smart move !
He is making an assumption that he can sell each and every one of the parts. If he does that he is one smart mofo.
If he doesn't he is one dumb mofo.
It is the end result that counts.
So let's just say he is one mofo.
jk
If he doesn't he is one dumb mofo.
It is the end result that counts.
So let's just say he is one mofo.
jk
What's the value of each Piece?...Are the bidders currently paying to much?
It is early but let's say it ended today...would these buds be a smart buy..or a stupid one?
I can barely offerd the fakes
T
It is early but let's say it ended today...would these buds be a smart buy..or a stupid one?
I can barely offerd the fakes
T
Seems like a bit of an economic conundrum to me. If one could sell parts for an aggregate value more than their whole, anyone who needed parts would buy the whole watch and then sell unneeded parts to recoup expenses + profit. Hence, buyers would defeat their own market. :wink:
Of course there are exceptions for 1) foolish buyers, and 2) rare/out of production timepieces; however, the 111i is far from rare, and I would think it risky to rely on the foolhardiness of the market.
All this said, the seller is a very nice guy and I do (disapprovingly) wish him the best of luck in his sales. The concept here has certainly intrigued me!
Of course there are exceptions for 1) foolish buyers, and 2) rare/out of production timepieces; however, the 111i is far from rare, and I would think it risky to rely on the foolhardiness of the market.
All this said, the seller is a very nice guy and I do (disapprovingly) wish him the best of luck in his sales. The concept here has certainly intrigued me!
I for one don't approve what he is doing.
Reasons to do that are just excuses. The Point here is hes out to make money. PERIOD.
I know Flav has many admirers here and i also do like his work but this is so wrong. I most probably would get flamed for this but this is MHO.
Reasons to do that are just excuses. The Point here is hes out to make money. PERIOD.
I know Flav has many admirers here and i also do like his work but this is so wrong. I most probably would get flamed for this but this is MHO.
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pamfried said:
I agree with you Pamfried, if he did sell all the parts and make almost almost 6000 on the deal, he would be making quite a bit on it. Especially since he purchased the watch second hand and so had less of initial investment in the watch. But it's his right to put anything he want's up sale, the buyer's will determine whether or not he and others try it again. If his little "experiment" turns out to be successful I wouldn't be surprised to see fleabay flooded with others trying this scheme.
MK08 said:
Yes its his every right to do that but hmmm.... don't go well with me books... LOL!!
I think most parts can go even though the high prices but movt wise i don't think so... unless 1 Gen forum nut wants to start a project with a Gen movt. Otherwise how much does a GEN UNITAS movt costs???? ANY GEN Pam movt can be and will be serviced by the Panerai so the collectors will not be buying that just for standby.
Even the dial asking is crazy... wait till these mofos know how much DSN sells his superlumed dials...... WITH HANDS!! :twisted:
How exact do you want a dial to be? Project or not, the price is ridiculous to be paying for a GEN dial.
I can get GEN PRE-A Dials cheaper than that 111 dial. Now tell me which is more precious.
Cheers!
the reason for the prices is the fact that all parts may no sell and i would be left with half of my favorite watch... keep in mind that with all the ebay fees, paypal fees, and shipping fees, i will have to basically get 4000 in parts to equal the 3500 value of the watch. if i get more? why should you be mad? after all....it is alot harded to sell as parts then the entire watch which i can sell fast for 3500. probably the same day. but i am doing an experiment. it's my watch and i paid alot of money for it so i would like to recoupe as much as possible. why not approve of me doing this way but it is ok for the guys that bought thier fiddys 2 years ago for 9k and now selling for 20k.....or the 203s going for $100,000 is ok? what is the issue? if it were your parts from your gen watch you would not want to sell them for $100.
it's crazy i am getting flak for doing this. not from paneristi who seem to like the idea, but from the rep boards... there is gen rolex parts all over ebay, and omega too. but no panerai gen parts. so why is this bad? and if someone offered already $830 for the dial... why is the price too high? value is what people are willing to pay. if it is too much, they will not buy it. marketing 101. if the movement does not sell, i would relist it cheaper next time. but i think it will.
this is a big risk to come up short on your favorite watch, and a gamble that you could possibly get more money for the watch as parts, but could end up getting less in the end... we will find out next sunday. after the auction, i will find a new pam for my collection. as i miss this one alrready.
flav.
it's crazy i am getting flak for doing this. not from paneristi who seem to like the idea, but from the rep boards... there is gen rolex parts all over ebay, and omega too. but no panerai gen parts. so why is this bad? and if someone offered already $830 for the dial... why is the price too high? value is what people are willing to pay. if it is too much, they will not buy it. marketing 101. if the movement does not sell, i would relist it cheaper next time. but i think it will.
this is a big risk to come up short on your favorite watch, and a gamble that you could possibly get more money for the watch as parts, but could end up getting less in the end... we will find out next sunday. after the auction, i will find a new pam for my collection. as i miss this one alrready.
flav.
Flav, I couldn't agree with you more.
It's your watch, you can set it on fire, flush it down the toilet or sell it as parts. No harm no foul, IMO.
This is just a luxury watch. Not a kidney, not someone's baby, A WATCH. You're not taking advantage of anyone to (possibly) make a return on your investment. No one *has* to buy those parts. We barely see this much animosity towards people selling reps as gens on eBay, for crying out loud!
I say bravo to you for having the stones to try it. I really hope it works out for you, man.
I want to see pics of the new watch when you get it. My vote is for the 005. :wink:
It's your watch, you can set it on fire, flush it down the toilet or sell it as parts. No harm no foul, IMO.
This is just a luxury watch. Not a kidney, not someone's baby, A WATCH. You're not taking advantage of anyone to (possibly) make a return on your investment. No one *has* to buy those parts. We barely see this much animosity towards people selling reps as gens on eBay, for crying out loud!
I say bravo to you for having the stones to try it. I really hope it works out for you, man.
I want to see pics of the new watch when you get it. My vote is for the 005. :wink:
Hey Flav,
I think people will always have an opinion so I wouln't read too much into it.
I say more power to you, if you can buy a gen and sell it for a profit in whichever guise you choose then i can't see what the big deal is.
If on the other hand you choose to put it all back together and donate to an RWI member :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: (hint hint), then I'd gladly take it off you.
All the best !!!
Sell it well
I think people will always have an opinion so I wouln't read too much into it.
I say more power to you, if you can buy a gen and sell it for a profit in whichever guise you choose then i can't see what the big deal is.
If on the other hand you choose to put it all back together and donate to an RWI member :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: (hint hint), then I'd gladly take it off you.
All the best !!!
Sell it well
I agree that this is your watch, and you can do whatever you want to do with it. If you make a few bucks, good for you!
All I wonder about is, that if you are parting it out, why not help out this community and get some 3d scans or castings of the parts that we could all benefit from. Mainly the crown and crown guard. Hardly a week goes by when someone is not WTB a jimmy crown guard, or a Palp crown. Both of which have their problems. You have a unique opportunity to help us all out and get something created truly 1:1. Any thoughts on this Flav??
All I wonder about is, that if you are parting it out, why not help out this community and get some 3d scans or castings of the parts that we could all benefit from. Mainly the crown and crown guard. Hardly a week goes by when someone is not WTB a jimmy crown guard, or a Palp crown. Both of which have their problems. You have a unique opportunity to help us all out and get something created truly 1:1. Any thoughts on this Flav??
I've got to agree with Flav. He doesn't have to do anyone on ebay any favors. Whats the difference between this and groups that buy companies and sell the parts off for far more than they bought it for or car parts dealers that buy bulk cars and sell them for more than the car is worth. Same concept. I would like to see some scans though, that would help our community. Think of what DSN could do with those.
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tootall said:I agree that this is your watch, and you can do whatever you want to do with it. If you make a few bucks, good for you!
All I wonder about is, that if you are parting it out, why not help out this community and get some 3d scans or castings of the parts that we could all benefit from. Mainly the crown and crown guard. Hardly a week goes by when someone is not WTB a jimmy crown guard, or a Palp crown. Both of which have their problems. You have a unique opportunity to help us all out and get something created truly 1:1. Any thoughts on this Flav??
tried this already.....4 different suppliers.. no one can cet it right.. and after spending so much $$$$ and time, i gave up. they don't understand it must be 1:1 and they cannot get the geometry right. the genuine CG is flared up on the end, and apparently this curve is extremely hard to duplicate. if anyone wants to buy this part and do the same.....go for it!
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flavor flav said:
Hey "mofo", good to see you back mate! :lol:
Yeah, I agree, that 'bump' in the middle where CG pin sits on H-series CG would be hard to replicate, unless the maker really pays attention to that little detail. The CG actually curves from top side down while "lifts" from the inside out, creating that flare effect you mentioned.
Hmm, I know only one more guy with a spare gen H-series CG who could afford to send it to be repped...so far no joy...he's most likely hit the same bumps as you did.
It's no wonder Mark (finepics) was going to charge $100 for each H-series CG...it sounded expensive at the time, but considering how much trouble and effort has to go in creating near 1:1...not that much, really.
Stay well my friend, and post here more often
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