So an ETA rep movement is one made in asia and based on the "real" ETA movement which is made in Switzerland? So if you get a real IWC or Omega with a 2892 or 2836 movement, those are made by ETA of Switzerland, while the rep IWC/Omegas with an "ETA" 2892 or 2836 is a Chinese copy? I've been wondering that for some time now. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
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Patek986 said:
not a copy at all. The parts are all genuine swiss parts stamped out of swiss machinery. It's just the movements are assembled in china. Heck, what isn't assembled in china?
so if you get a gen watch with a 2836 movement and a rep watch with 2836 movement, the movements are identical, minus finishing or plating or whatever.
There are SOME... chinese COPIED swiss movements, but i dont see them popping up as often. When a dealer reports a rep watch having a swiss eta 2836 movement in it, you can expect it to be the same movement in any other hi-end watch.
If you have time, check ebay for thsoe parts, you'll find movements range abouts 70 dollars for real swiss movements.
ps: as usual, anyone please feel free to correct me if i'm wrong!
crick said:
No Need.
From Wikipedia:
"Current situation
Mechanical ETA movements are commonly used in many "middle" to "high-end" watch brands such as Officine Panerai, Omega, Oris, Tudor, TAG Heuer, and Breitling. Their Quartz Movement lines are also used in "high-end" brands as well as more affordable brands, such as Swiss Army.
In irony, many replica watches of these same brands also use ETA movements. Commonly, Omega Seamaster imitations will have a simple version of the ETA 2824-2 movement. Genuine Seamaster watches currently use an embellished version of the same family of movements, though also fitted with the Co-axial escapement. To counteract this trend, ETA has announced that it will stop selling movements to unauthorized manufacturers and assemblers. However, European Union competition rules prohibit this action from taking place until 20111, giving sufficient time for new and existing companies to develop watch movements that can replace the ones already produced by ETA. ETA movements have also been duplicated by various enterprises including Asian manufacturers and are usually being produced without license[1]."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETA_movement
crick said:
Thank you for the reply!
Okay, so the parts are the same (gotten from Switzerland) on ETA reps, but are assembled in China, where as the ones on high end makes are made AND assembled in Switzerland. Sound right? How are these movements (ETA) $70? Seen those prices on Ziggys too - Why are the prices so darn high on gens that don't use their own manufature movements but use these ETA movements? Thought some of the reason was the 2892-A2's for example were worth more than $70- $100......
Well, the movements aren't EXACTLY the same. Yes the movement are still the same family of movements, same brand, but they aren't certified like the ones that are placed in the watches.
You are paying for a lot of things when you pay for a gen. The name, of course, is the first. The movements inside are based on the ETA movements we all have in our watches, however they also have modifications which make them different. For instance, the Co-Axial movement in the Omegas with the increased power reserve and modified with the co-axial escapement. Rolex uses their own in house movements, so they will not be the same as the reps. Other companies, such as Panerai, also used ETA movements, with modifications. The Swiss brands carry a lot more prestige as well, as their parts are assembled by the companies that the movements are going in to; not assembled by a Chinese factory then fitted to the cases provided by a different Chinese factory. The quality control issue is what arises when dealing with these parts, as inconsistences between factories and builders is great with reps. That is why we all look and rely on sellers here to provide with hand picked products; or for the other dealers who would be considered larger and do not have the time to pick pieces by hand having to deal with a very accurate and quality controlled factory/warehouse to purchase and drop ship their items for them. There was another post on here I saw recently that described the differences between all of the ETA movements, their qualities, and where they originate from and end up. Pretty much, it breaks down to the gens being a highly quality controlled ETA mechanism with COSC certification, a super duper seal from the seller, and different engraving on the back; with our ETA being sold to an "after" or "grey" market seller, who then assembles the products to their highest possible standards, but without any certification or guarantee. However, these movements are just as easily servicable as the gens and many watchsmiths have no problems at all.
You are paying for a lot of things when you pay for a gen. The name, of course, is the first. The movements inside are based on the ETA movements we all have in our watches, however they also have modifications which make them different. For instance, the Co-Axial movement in the Omegas with the increased power reserve and modified with the co-axial escapement. Rolex uses their own in house movements, so they will not be the same as the reps. Other companies, such as Panerai, also used ETA movements, with modifications. The Swiss brands carry a lot more prestige as well, as their parts are assembled by the companies that the movements are going in to; not assembled by a Chinese factory then fitted to the cases provided by a different Chinese factory. The quality control issue is what arises when dealing with these parts, as inconsistences between factories and builders is great with reps. That is why we all look and rely on sellers here to provide with hand picked products; or for the other dealers who would be considered larger and do not have the time to pick pieces by hand having to deal with a very accurate and quality controlled factory/warehouse to purchase and drop ship their items for them. There was another post on here I saw recently that described the differences between all of the ETA movements, their qualities, and where they originate from and end up. Pretty much, it breaks down to the gens being a highly quality controlled ETA mechanism with COSC certification, a super duper seal from the seller, and different engraving on the back; with our ETA being sold to an "after" or "grey" market seller, who then assembles the products to their highest possible standards, but without any certification or guarantee. However, these movements are just as easily servicable as the gens and many watchsmiths have no problems at all.
yeap... 70 dollars for some movements. for instance take a simple google search and you will find that an ETA 2671 commonly found in women's watches can be found in brands like tissot, gruen, bulova, etc. these watches range in price of 200-800 dollars.
simple ebay search and i found an average price of 125 (wow went up), but some used for 70 dollars.
2836 movements on ebay are even cheaper ($50 dollars!)
they can get expensive, like a swiss chrono 7750 valjoux movement ~ 500-600 dollars. What amazes me is that Hamilton makes a chrono with gen swiss 7750 just for ~ 600-800 dollars. PURTY cooooool! So not all companies mark up their watches like mad.
But because some gen factories modify like crazy their movements, and certified, you pay extra. Omega's commonly have heavily modified swiss movements, Engravings and nickel plating, etc... that all gets thrown in there and shows in the price tag.
when u start getting into HAND assembled and custom made movements, prices skyrocket
simple ebay search and i found an average price of 125 (wow went up), but some used for 70 dollars.
2836 movements on ebay are even cheaper ($50 dollars!)
they can get expensive, like a swiss chrono 7750 valjoux movement ~ 500-600 dollars. What amazes me is that Hamilton makes a chrono with gen swiss 7750 just for ~ 600-800 dollars. PURTY cooooool! So not all companies mark up their watches like mad.
But because some gen factories modify like crazy their movements, and certified, you pay extra. Omega's commonly have heavily modified swiss movements, Engravings and nickel plating, etc... that all gets thrown in there and shows in the price tag.
when u start getting into HAND assembled and custom made movements, prices skyrocket
erm, when should i set date? should i wind it now or not? how many times, clockwise or counter-clockwise?
I have an Invicta 8926 with a crappy looking Jap Miyota 21j that's still thumping after 11 years......Does that qualify??piratedzeus said:Still open for someone with a story about a asian movements that works for 5 years now or somewhat
I just wanted to add a quick thank you to all this information!! I was looking for something like this since I just picked up my first rep a few days ago.
Thank you!!!!!
Thank you!!!!!
Can't the jeweler just do the oiling during the service. Are new parts really needed if nothing is broken? I only buy asians - they work great! I'm hoping when I take them in they will not need new parts for them to do their service.
get it through customs in germany first...then worry about the movement...sorry to tell you...but i have many bad experiences with customs in Ger.....most - even - little packages dont make it through customs...
each and every one i send to friends in germany was opened....the trick is...to fly under their radar...send stuff as letterish looking as possible !!
good luck....let me know what happend !!
each and every one i send to friends in germany was opened....the trick is...to fly under their radar...send stuff as letterish looking as possible !!
good luck....let me know what happend !!
crick said:
Servicing an Asian makes no sence, just toss the movement and replace it with a new one for a fraction of the price of the original rep...
My first rep had a bad Asian movement, I replaced it with a new $10 movement and all is well
horologie_unitas said:
I have found that all registered mail does not go through customs in Greece, all else will be checked for drugs mostly.
A way to beat the system is to buy from EU based dealers, no customs checks within EU