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[TheDan772]

The QC photos (attached) I received from a top TD for a V9F VR3235 JC order were horrible and I rejected it. On the lettering of OYSTER PERPETUAL DATE on the dial, the “E”s look really bad, as do the letters P, S and A in DEEPSEA on the back. Very surprising. Gonna switch to a BPF with VR3135, as recommended by SS72.

 

[SS72]

The QC photos (attached) I received from a top TD for a V9F VR3235 JC order were horrible and I rejected it. On the lettering of OYSTER PERPETUAL DATE on the dial, the “E”s look really bad, as do the letters P, S and A in DEEPSEA on the back. Very surprising. Gonna switch to a BPF with VR3135, as recommended by SS72.

Interesting that this does have the correct OGEV RLS font. However, the pic on Trusty's site shows different.

ROLSD0115A - DeepSea Dweller 126660 SS/SS Blue V9F VR3235 [ROLSD0115A] - $488.00 : Trusty Time Watch, Your Trusty Watch Shop

Trusty Time Watch ROLSD0115A - DeepSea Dweller 126660 SS/SS Blue V9F VR3235 [ROLSD0115A] - V9F Factory DeepSea Dweller Ref.126660 904L Steel MOVEMENT: VR3235 Automatic Movement, 28800bph with Fully Decorated Rotor and Bridges & Plates like Genuine Rolex Calibre 3235 CASE DIAMETER: 44mm...

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[Daytona22]

my small one from m2m..

JVS Factory​

 

[SS72]

ARF v2 with Clean hands

 

[TheDan772]

Interesting that this does have the correct OGEV RLS font. However, the pic on Trusty's site shows different.

ROLSD0115A - DeepSea Dweller 126660 SS/SS Blue V9F VR3235 [ROLSD0115A] - $488.00 : Trusty Time Watch, Your Trusty Watch Shop

Trusty Time Watch ROLSD0115A - DeepSea Dweller 126660 SS/SS Blue V9F VR3235 [ROLSD0115A] - V9F Factory DeepSea Dweller Ref.126660 904L Steel MOVEMENT: VR3235 Automatic Movement, 28800bph with Fully Decorated Rotor and Bridges & Plates like Genuine Rolex Calibre 3235 CASE DIAMETER: 44mm...

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I’m switching to a BPF 126660 with VR3135 movement as recommended by SS72. Hope that movement will be as or more reliable than the VR3235. I’m not worried about the 316F vs 904L steel.

 

[TheDan772]

I’m switching to a BPF 126660 with VR3135 movement as recommended by SS72. Hope that movement will be as or more reliable than the VR3235. I’m not worried about the 316F vs 904L steel.

SS72 - any thoughts on the two movements?

 

[SS72]

SS72 - any thoughts on the two movements?

I'm assuming you've seen this comprehensive guide to clone movements topic by @dogwood (and @KJ2020), but here's some info compiled from that resource.

Both are decent, reliable movements, but with differences -- aside from whether you opt for an 11X or 12X ref. Both have an approximate 45 hr power reserve.

VR3135 is a clone movement and compatible with 99% genuine parts. This movement does not have a shock setting for the escape wheel. New movements are around $80USD.

VR3235 is a hybrid, not technically a clone but looks like one on the surface. It does have a real shock setting under the fake paraflex one. Parts are not easily obtained, but a new movement is around $100USD.

I've had both movements in various reps. One VR3135 had an issue with the rotor coming off its axle and vibrated when moving rapidly. Easily fixed. Otherwise, they've served me well. Touch wood, all my VR3235 movements have been rock solid.

A different movement, but the VS3135 is the one I've had more problems with. Three of my reps with this movement have had issues, but all were fixable (new parts needed for one of them).

 

[TheDan772]

I'm assuming you've seen this comprehensive guide to clone movements topic by @dogwood (and @KJ2020), but here's some info compiled from that resource.

Both are decent, reliable movements, but with differences -- aside from whether you opt for an 11X or 12X ref. Both have an approximate 45 hr power reserve.

VR3135 is a clone movement and compatible with 99% genuine parts. This movement does not have a shock setting for the escape wheel. New movements are around $80USD.

VR3235 is a hybrid, not technically a clone but looks like one on the surface. It does have a real shock setting under the fake paraflex one. Parts are not easily obtained, but a new movement is around $100USD.

I've had both movements in various reps. One VR3135 had an issue with the rotor coming off its axle and vibrated when moving rapidly. Easily fixed. Otherwise, they've served me well. Touch wood, all my VR3235 movements have been rock solid.

A different movement, but the VS3135 is the one I've had more problems with. Three of my reps with this movement have had issues, but all were fixable (new parts needed for one of them).

Awesome, thanks so much.

 

[TheDan772]

After rejecting a V9F 126660 JC with VR3235 movement (said by two TDs to be the best 126660 JC available) because of problems with the "OYSTER PERPETUAL DATE" lettering on the dial (photo 1 - the Es were noticeably larger / taller than the other letters), I ordered the recommended BPF 126660 JC with VR3135 movement. That too was rejected because of lettering mistakes on the back of the case (photo 2 - the P, S and A in DEEPSEA were substantially larger than the other letters), I've ordered a GMF 126660 JC with VR3135 movement. Unfortunately, the TD website photos of these watches are different than the QC photos I've received, so it has become a guessing game until QC photos are received. Ugh.

 

[TheDan772]

For some reason, photos are not uploading. Apologies.
Never mind - figured it out.

 

[TheDan772]

Fourth time the charm with my 126660 JC order. This GMF VR3135, after flawed V9F and BPF models, looks superb. Andrew at Trusty Time has been incredibly professional and patient. My hat is off to him on this one.

 

[jg3456]

Are the hands black, or just a photo-illusion?

 

[jg3456]

Are the hands black, or just a photo-illusion?

(surely a photo-illusion... watch looks great!)

 

[TheDan772]

Yes - it's just the lighting.
Thanks. Looking forward to receiving it. Not sure I'm ready for how big it is at 44mm diameter, but we'll see...

 

[TheDan772]

Thanks to SD72, I've learned that many 126660 JCs sold by TDs are actually 116660 models with 126660 dials swapped in (126660 added the Rolex crown to the dial at 6 o'clock). In other words, the case, lugs and bracelets, which changed with the 126660, are those of the 116660 and not the 126660. Unfortunately, many TDs' website photos show the 126660 models they're selling with the new case, lugs and bracelet in their 126660 offerings, but QC photos confirm that those photos are misleading. One TD - Elliot at Andiot - actually carries a model 126660 JC from the C+ factory that has the correct / new case, lugs and bracelet, but the RING LOCK SYSTEM words at the bottom of the dial (directly under the 6 o'clock marker) are not centered, resulting in the C and not the K of the word LOCK being directly under the 6 o'clock marker. This is a big tell to me personally, as it seems to jump right out when you look at the watch. I was also advised that the movement of this C+F 126660 appears not to be the quoted VR3235, but instead a VR3255.
I've accepted the GMF VR3135 126660 JC from Trusty (QC photos posted above) after rejecting a V9F VR3235, a BFP VR3135 and another GMF VR3135, but it is not a true 126660 rep because it has the 116660 case, lugs and bracelet. Andrew at Trusty Time was extremely patient and understanding throughout this long process.
Hope this info is of help to those looking for a 126660 JC.

 

[G-Man]

Hi, new member in February on a similar journey so have read with interest
Found RWI as looking for a Deepsea JC 126660 and is now costing me a fortune
Was offered originally APF or V9F versions but I to was disappointed to find the font and alignment was out on the OGEV, so after looking at the options available settled on the GMF with VR3135 from Andrew @trustytime, ideally I was looking for the VR3235 movement but wasn’t available so compromised on the VR3135, I was offered a 3235 movement by another TD but when Andrew checked it was an SA3235 movement which the factory did not recommend? I was also surprised to see the V9F in your thread had the correct font unlike the pics on websites.
So ordered 26th Feb and QC pics supplied 17th March, see pics, which I gave the green light, dispatched 23rd March and I‘m now eagerly awaiting delivery of my long awaited Deepsea JC.
Will update when it arrives.
See what you think of the pics,

 

[TheDan772]

The V9F VR3135 I received QC pics of had the correct OGEV RLS font and the RLS was properly centered relative to the 6 0'clock marker on the dial , but the Es in OYSTER PERPETUAL DATE were considerably larger / taller than all of the other letters next to them. They extended noticeably below the bottom of the other letters adjacent to them. That's why I rejected it, as it looked really weird.

Yours looks good to me relative to what I've seen with QC pics of a V9F VR3235, a BFP VR3135 and another GMF VR3135 . The S in DEEPSEA on the back of the case looks like it might be a little larger than the other letters adjacent to it, but it could be the photo or the angle of the shot, and not too many see that anyway. Plus it's a rep...

Basically, as I've said, getting a good 126660 JC seems to be very difficult and also kind of hit or miss. You may want to check the C+F that Andiot sells. My brother just bought one after owning two gen 126660s and really likes it. If you can live with the RLS words not being properly centered (photo of his below), it is the only 126660 JC I'm aware of that has the 126660 and not the 116660 case, lugs and bracelet that Rolex introduced with the 126660 model.

 

[G-Man]

That looks good, I did look at these when he announced the release but, like yourself, I can live with most differences as it’s a rep but the K off line was the one that would drive me mad! Lets see what they look like in the flesh will post pics when mine arrives.

 

[TheDan772]

Mine is also en route. Look forward to seeing your photos. I've asked Andrew to clean the lens on his camera or get a better camera or photographer for his QC pics. Their image quality, lighting and reflections leave much to be desired, which doesn't help in deciding whether to accept or reject a watch.

 

[G-Man]

Nice buy on the ARF You beat me to it All looks like it lines up really well.
Does it have the correct clasp, was hard to tell?
We are definetly on a similar journey for the Deepsea JC