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Now that the KW PAM 386 and 505 have been out a minute, how's the DLC holding up?

Mako88

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It's been a bit now with these both in users hands (or wrists), and since they both use the same factory DLC process it would be valuable for those of us on the fence to hear about your day-to-day wear and tear so far.

Any big nicks, scratches, or piss-you-off moments with your precious yet? Or just the opposite, some big impacts but not a mark on 'em?

One of these is next on the list for sure but don't want it to have to be a garage queen...
 

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Doh!:facepalm:

Here comes some one to explain DLC and PVD in 3....2.....1

Well actually, the statement is wrong. DLC and PVD use the same process...PVD. :lol: Before we just called anything coated with the Physical Vapor Deposition process as PVD (even though they used many types of coating). Then a new coating Diamond Like Carbon came along and we now have DLC.
 

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Doh!:facepalm:

Here comes some one to explain DLC and PVD in 3....2.....1

DLC (Diamond Like Carbon) coatings – A high grade of PVD (Physical Vapour Deposition) process

Above title almost answers the question.
There is a coating process called PVD (Physical Vapour Deposition) which guarantees a high grade of hardness and durability in the surface of the metals. And there is a HIGH grade PVD coating called DLC (Diamond Like Carbon) which guarantees more hardness and durability.
In short, that is all

If you read the Glossary of the PAM REVIEW-GUIDE you can read:
PVD coating- Physical Vapor Deposition (PVD) is the method used to deposit thin layers of material by condensation of vapor in a high temperature and vacuum environment. Better by far than a Painting treatment.
DLC coating- DLC or Diamond-Like Carbon (DLC) coating is the highest quality in coating, the most durable and hardest to scratch. The coating is done with the bonding of high energy percursive carbon rapidly cooled down on the surface. DLC coatings are made by the PVD process and it is actually a high grade of PVD coatings.


Why Panerai indicates PVD applied in its watches?

Nowadays, knowing the cost and quality of a Panerai watch, it makes non sense not to apply DLC high grade PVD instead a regular one.
For a replica the difference of cost would be important but for a gen PAM the difference relative is negligible and the increase in quality is noticeable.
Really Panerai says PVD because Panerai doesn’t need to say that they apply DLC.
Therefore I’m saying that Panerai is applying DLC in its watches.

Read about this subject a thread in Watchuseek started by usurp, where the poster ask Panerai about the coating of its PVD watches.
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f75/pam-26-pvd-dlc-292240
The Panerai answer was:
“Dear Sir,
many thanks for your interest in our brand.
We inform you that the Pam00026 is made of a special hard black coating made by Pvd process ( physical vapour deposition) the procedure is DLC ( Diamond-like Carbon).
Dlc is a procedure for the coating of surfaces, obtained through the deposit of carbon applied to various materials to guarantee an extremely high level of hardness.
The treatment consists of the vaporisation of carbon in order for it to deposit on the substrate in a pure and controlled state-all through a special patened technique that is particularly efficient.
It guarantee high performance with an attractive quality.
We remain at your full disposal should you need further informations.
Best Regards.
OFFICINE PANERAI
Marketing & Comunicazioneâ€
This reply could be false but there is no reason for that, and, moreover, the reply makes sense.


More info related to DLC/PCD coatings

- Messina Jewelers information
http://www.messinajewelers.com/blog/black-coating-watches-pvd-or-dlc/
Black Coating Watches, PVD or DLC
by Oscar Messina
Apr.16, 2010 in Watch 101
“Right now there is a high demand for watches that are Black coated. Some watches come all factory black coated but other watches from brands such as Rolex and Audemars Piguet are customized a lot to black. One popular question is which one is better PVD or DLC?
To answer the question let’s break down what PVD and DLC means.
Physical Vapor Deposition (PVD) is the method used to deposit thin layers of material by condensation of vapor in a high temperature and vacuum environment.
DLC or Diamond- like carbon coating is the highest quality in black coating, the most durable and hardest to scratch. The coating is done with the bonding of high energy perecursive carbon rapidly cooled down on the surface. It is very similar to the process of making synthetic diamonds. Not only the process is similar but the carbon coatings have the same attributes as diamonds since they are extremely hard and very resistant to scratches. In other words it is perfect for making metal surfaces more durable.
From what we can see by DLC Coating, in simple words it is a process of depositing a carbon material in a vacuum chamber. In other words DLC coatings are made by the PVD process. The difference is that are several PVD coatings that make the watch look black with materials such as nickel and , ceramic. Usually manufacturers will specify whether the watch was DLC coated. When only PVD is mentioned it could mean that a cheaper, and less durable material was used.
If you are planning on buying a watch then You need to be sure you are buying DLC PVD Black Coated watch. The DLC is way more resistant than any other material, perhaps a little more expensive but it is worth it. Here at Messina Jewelers we only use DLC to customize our Rolex, Panerai and Audemars Piguet Watches since we want to use the highest quality in our products.â€

- Other links to consult
http://www.azom.com/details.asp?ArticleID=623
http://www.pvdcoatings.net/About_PVD_Coating/about_pvd_coating
http://www.pvd-coatings.co.uk/Dymon-iC-coating.htm


I hope now everything is (almost) clarified

ALE
 

Mako88

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Sounds good, yes yes, Ale took us to school thank you, now back on topic:

How is the wear and tear from actual owners thus far?
 

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Pam 505:
The coating is quite scratch distant. The case material is soft: I have a flat ding on the edge: coating did not crack; it got flatten on the otherwise sharp edge:

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This is that shiny part between 9 and 10, on the edge. Got flatten but did not crack.

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Pam 505:
The coating is quite scratch distant. The case material is soft: I have a flat ding on the edge: coating did not crack; it got flatten on the otherwise sharp edge:
This is that shiny part between 9 and 10, on the edge. Got flatten but did not crack.

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Hi Polonus leaving aside the bad luck of the hit you are lucky to not get coating broken because it is very hard but fragile.
Yes SS is very soft in comparison with a Standard Steel and this flattened would be the same with a non coated watch.
Maybe the coating in the corners was a bit less thick and due to that is not broken getting some elasticity. I don't know

As you can see the DLC coating is almost scratch-proof and even a little crack resistant !!

Anyway Sorry for the hit

ALE
 

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Thank You ALE, I can live with this small hit anyway... :)
 

Mako88

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Pam 505:
The coating is quite scratch distant. The case material is soft: I have a flat ding on the edge: coating did not crack; it got flatten on the otherwise sharp edge:

This is that shiny part between 9 and 10, on the edge. Got flatten but did not crack.

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Thanks Polonus. As Ale said, it's actually somewhat good news as the DLC material surprisingly held up despite the metal itself giving in a bit.
 

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DLC (Diamond Like Carbon) coatings – A high grade of PVD (Physical Vapour Deposition) process

Above title almost answers the question.
There is a coating process called PVD (Physical Vapour Deposition) which guarantees a high grade of hardness and durability in the surface of the metals. And there is a HIGH grade PVD coating called DLC (Diamond Like Carbon) which guarantees more hardness and durability.
In short, that is all

If you read the Glossary of the PAM REVIEW-GUIDE you can read:
PVD coating- Physical Vapor Deposition (PVD) is the method used to deposit thin layers of material by condensation of vapor in a high temperature and vacuum environment. Better by far than a Painting treatment.
DLC coating- DLC or Diamond-Like Carbon (DLC) coating is the highest quality in coating, the most durable and hardest to scratch. The coating is done with the bonding of high energy percursive carbon rapidly cooled down on the surface. DLC coatings are made by the PVD process and it is actually a high grade of PVD coatings.




I hope now everything is (almost) clarified

ALE
Thanks, learned a bunch...