I do like that 005, is that a manual or an Auto? Does the sub-dial work? From the pictures I think I like the Noob factory version of the watch with a black strap.
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Noobie in search of PAM, but what style?
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if i was to choose between the 111 and 005. Id take the 111 because of the display caseback. The movements look so nice and in my opinion it adds to the coolness 
And also the dial looks better to me without the op logo.
And also the dial looks better to me without the op logo.I would prefer the closed case-back, however nice the current movements are, there still a big tell
005 all the way LOL
005 all the way LOL
I like the 111 as well, ya'll just messing with me now. LOL
Perhaps someone will post one to sell in the sales section.
Perhaps someone will post one to sell in the sales section.
Heres one with 2 extra straps.
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=92957
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Seems its an EU deal
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I picked up an 005 that has movement issues, but I have a 6497 movement on the way as well. I had ordered the movement prior to the watch in order to learn with, now I guess I'll start my modding/repair career.
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if i was to choose between the 111 and 005. Id take the 111 because of the display caseback. The movements look so nice and in my opinion it adds to the coolness
+1
I like it without the logo, the word PANERAI there is good enough :lol:
I also love to look at the movement.
However Im still wonder how much is the back a tell? It looks almost the same to gen to me on pics. (except the swan neck which sometimes doesnt touch)
The shape of the incabloc and the flared spokes on the balance wheel atleast. correct me if I'm wrong.
I'll have to work my way up to the 111. I need more information on reps first. I don't want to go buying an expensive lesson in what not to do. LOL
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Here you have my replies
1. What is the 10 day function for?
In the gens it is the “power reserve†time that the watch have to run. In replicas it I not ture because there are not replicas with more three-four days of “power reserveâ€
2. What are the simple style numbers. Radimor I believe they are referred to?
I don’t understand this question. If you are talking about the style number of the PAMs (PAM 111, PAM 177, PAM 360…) I have to tell you there is not any rule.
3. If I'm getting one without second hands is a 21j alright?
21J are asian movements cheap and simple, automatic, with possible second subdial but non chrono functions.
Usually PAM have or manual wind 6497, Chrono automatic 7750 and sometimes automatic non chrno mvmts.
4. Are they all winding watches, the classic styles anyway.
There are manual winding and automatic and some automatic Chrono
5. I like ones with a black face and a black strap.
That is not a question, Therefore there is not reply.
6. What is the lever over the crown for?
It is a device to lock the crown in its position in order to guarantee the watch is “closedâ€
Is there a link somewhere that explains the reps and their movements.
There is in PAM section and in Replica general a lot of Threads talking about.
You have just read and learn about for a week.
I hope that is useful for you
ALE
1. What is the 10 day function for?
In the gens it is the “power reserve†time that the watch have to run. In replicas it I not ture because there are not replicas with more three-four days of “power reserveâ€
2. What are the simple style numbers. Radimor I believe they are referred to?
I don’t understand this question. If you are talking about the style number of the PAMs (PAM 111, PAM 177, PAM 360…) I have to tell you there is not any rule.
3. If I'm getting one without second hands is a 21j alright?
21J are asian movements cheap and simple, automatic, with possible second subdial but non chrono functions.
Usually PAM have or manual wind 6497, Chrono automatic 7750 and sometimes automatic non chrno mvmts.
4. Are they all winding watches, the classic styles anyway.
There are manual winding and automatic and some automatic Chrono
5. I like ones with a black face and a black strap.
That is not a question, Therefore there is not reply.
6. What is the lever over the crown for?
It is a device to lock the crown in its position in order to guarantee the watch is “closedâ€
Is there a link somewhere that explains the reps and their movements.
There is in PAM section and in Replica general a lot of Threads talking about.
You have just read and learn about for a week.
I hope that is useful for you
ALE
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Concerning PAM 111:
The definitive choice at this moment is the Noob version
All the dealers are indicating if the rep are from Noob of from H factory
Don't buy a PAM 111 if the dealer doesn't indicate the maker Noob or H.
I think you have already read the thread from Puretime with the Noob and H comparison.
ALE
The new 88 from h maker is a great way to start i think. I got one of them about 2 years ago and it was nowhere as good as the current offering and it got me hooked. I tried a base and a 005 but the weight of the of automatic movement and solid caseback feels a lot better on the wrist.
I like the classic look with no second hand, real simple. A see through back might be an option as I enjoy the movement. I know no one else gets to see it while it's on the wrist. I bought a really nice 6497 movement with swan neck, perhaps I can put one together, once I get my tools and learn some repair and modding. All this info is great.
What is a sandwich dial BTW?
What is a sandwich dial BTW?
Hi there Luckie!
For starters you should probably look at the Paneristi database and find all you want to know about the different genuine models.
Thats what I do and did in the past....
Panerai Model Database
A bit about my Panerai history and choices:
I owned a gen PAM 104 as a daily beater for 7 years and was very content with it.
It had a 44 mm stainless steel case which was fully polished, had a seconds hand and a date window.
Since it was automatic I never had to wind it.
The dial was a black spaghetti dial, which means the luminous markers are placed on top of the dial as opposed to a sandwich dial where the markers are cut out revealing parts of the luminous dial underneath.
Here's a pic of my PAM 104:
I chose this model because it had everything a Panerai was going to be and was priced moderately.
The Diver models did not appeal to me because they were to 'technical' which did not fit my life style at that time.
I could wear the 104 driving my Porsche 944 S2 across the Nürburgring and wear it at a formal dinner as well.
Just a change of straps and it would turn from sporty into elegant.
But after 7 years and paying 640 Euros for a service and replacing the stem, I decided to sell it and get me a replica.
These days I'm into reps because the quality has improved dramatically over the past 7 years.
In 2005 I could spot a rep from across a large room without any problem, today I would have to ask someone to take the watch of and let me have a close look at it.
I can buy a very good rep for the same amount of money that I would spend on getting my gen watch serviced every couple of years, as opposed to buying the gen article and spending thousands of Euros for just one watch.
The good thing about this is that I can now buy a whole range of 'Panerai' watches and enjoy a different one every day of the week if I wanted to.
For instance the PAM 253 (that I own as a rep) is a watch that was made in a limited production and at a price that was out of my league.
Owning the rep gives me great pleasure and I really love it a lot, even though I am well aware that it's not the real thing.
I just go by the saying 'If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck'
People always see what they expect to see and in my case they expect me to wear a gen Panerai after wearing one for 7 years so why should I tell them different? :lol:
And remember....no one will ask you if your watch is the real deal if your normal life is having a good job, owning a nice house and driving a nice car.
I do not want to sound discriminating, but if you work in a warehouse, live in a rented 3 room apartment, drive a 1998 Toyota and dress in cheap clothing it is much harder to let someone believe that your watch is actually the real thing.
Here's a pic of my PAM 253:
Continuing with the models......
Another model I want to own as a rep is the PAM 127 or 'Fiddy' which is basically a 47 mm case with a different bezel and a very nice curved crystal.
It is handwound, has a sandwich dial and a seconds hand and on the dial it says 1950.
Here's a pic of the gen article:
And finally I would like to add two models that are even more basic in my eyes and are more of a true Panerai....the PAM 210 and the PAM 183.
I really want one of these in my collection!
Here's the gen PAM 210:
And this is the gen PAM 183:
The are a few differences between them: The 210 is a base model without a seconds hand whereas the 183 has a seconds hand on a sub-dial and the words Black Seal added to the dial.
They both have the same hand-wound movement.
I hope that this look into my choices helps you to make your choice easier!
Good luck with your choices.....:maty:
For starters you should probably look at the Paneristi database and find all you want to know about the different genuine models.
Thats what I do and did in the past....
Panerai Model Database
A bit about my Panerai history and choices:
I owned a gen PAM 104 as a daily beater for 7 years and was very content with it.
It had a 44 mm stainless steel case which was fully polished, had a seconds hand and a date window.
Since it was automatic I never had to wind it.
The dial was a black spaghetti dial, which means the luminous markers are placed on top of the dial as opposed to a sandwich dial where the markers are cut out revealing parts of the luminous dial underneath.
Here's a pic of my PAM 104:
I chose this model because it had everything a Panerai was going to be and was priced moderately.
The Diver models did not appeal to me because they were to 'technical' which did not fit my life style at that time.
I could wear the 104 driving my Porsche 944 S2 across the Nürburgring and wear it at a formal dinner as well.
Just a change of straps and it would turn from sporty into elegant.
But after 7 years and paying 640 Euros for a service and replacing the stem, I decided to sell it and get me a replica.
These days I'm into reps because the quality has improved dramatically over the past 7 years.
In 2005 I could spot a rep from across a large room without any problem, today I would have to ask someone to take the watch of and let me have a close look at it.
I can buy a very good rep for the same amount of money that I would spend on getting my gen watch serviced every couple of years, as opposed to buying the gen article and spending thousands of Euros for just one watch.
The good thing about this is that I can now buy a whole range of 'Panerai' watches and enjoy a different one every day of the week if I wanted to.
For instance the PAM 253 (that I own as a rep) is a watch that was made in a limited production and at a price that was out of my league.
Owning the rep gives me great pleasure and I really love it a lot, even though I am well aware that it's not the real thing.
I just go by the saying 'If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck'
People always see what they expect to see and in my case they expect me to wear a gen Panerai after wearing one for 7 years so why should I tell them different? :lol:
And remember....no one will ask you if your watch is the real deal if your normal life is having a good job, owning a nice house and driving a nice car.
I do not want to sound discriminating, but if you work in a warehouse, live in a rented 3 room apartment, drive a 1998 Toyota and dress in cheap clothing it is much harder to let someone believe that your watch is actually the real thing.
Here's a pic of my PAM 253:
Continuing with the models......
Another model I want to own as a rep is the PAM 127 or 'Fiddy' which is basically a 47 mm case with a different bezel and a very nice curved crystal.
It is handwound, has a sandwich dial and a seconds hand and on the dial it says 1950.
Here's a pic of the gen article:
And finally I would like to add two models that are even more basic in my eyes and are more of a true Panerai....the PAM 210 and the PAM 183.
I really want one of these in my collection!
Here's the gen PAM 210:
And this is the gen PAM 183:
The are a few differences between them: The 210 is a base model without a seconds hand whereas the 183 has a seconds hand on a sub-dial and the words Black Seal added to the dial.
They both have the same hand-wound movement.
I hope that this look into my choices helps you to make your choice easier!
Good luck with your choices.....:maty:
I like what you have to say Debre. It's interesting, I used to live in NOLA where one might even know what a PAM was and wouldn't think twice about it's authenticity, Heck in NOLA you are just as liable to see a Real Rolex on a homeless as you are on a businessman, After Katrina sent us all scurrying like rats to higher ground, I find myself back on the farm from which I had once escaped. I'm solely buying the rep for me to appreciate...well me and my chickens. LOL I think the only comment I'd get on a PAM way out here is "wow that's a big watch, do you need better glasses?" Sad but true. Thanks for all the links. I'll find a good one and some junk ones and start modding and repairing, that's kinda the point I think is learning watch repair in the end.