OK last attempt.:wyliehelp:
Suppose Kenneth. P. Newb. wants to buy a sub. He has read and devoured all the information he can on this and other forums, and he's narrowed his choice down to a noob or a BP. Try as he might, he can't see the difference between the two, they're both pretty good after all. BUT - he has read that the bracelet and especially the clasp are not so clever on the BP. Since he doesn't want his new purchase to come undone and plummet to the floor, he wants to get it right. So he sees one for sale in M2M that looks good, and asks which maker. NOT the scenario Jordan outlined, but one you seem determined NOT to want to understand.