Newbies, know this about the 2813 ( A21J ) movement

[Stargeezer64]

So the long sad story is that my Brietling is back from the watchmaker with the automatic winder system fixed ( broken gear ). I've had the watch for 3 months and never dropped it. All my effort in locating cheap parts ended up ballooning from shipment costs, tax and the watchmakers charge, to $90.00, for a $120 dollar watch. Here is the kicker. Through my ignorance I did not know that you can just wind the watch with the stem. I was under the impression that this movement only winds with the automatic system. I could just have wound the stupid thing and saved the repair. So for all you newbies out there, a rule:

Never bother to fix a watch with a 2813 movement. If you can't just wind it, put it on display in your watch box and buy something else.

And on top of it all, the back of the watch is now 90 degrees off from where it was when new. Little things like that drive me nuts. Back to the watchmaker to complain. Completely kills the fun I was having owning this replica. When will it break again? Guess a cheap watch is just a cheap watch.

 

[OmegaRules]

Man, sorry to hear of your misfortunes. I have 2 reps with 21j's in them and have had no issues thus far.


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[Stargeezer64]

i wore this watch every day. Maybe not a good idea for a 21J? Once a week or less?

 

[KBH]

i wore this watch every day. Maybe not a good idea for a 21J? Once a week or less?

If you can't wear it, why buy it? 21j should last for years, then when they need servicing, replace the movement for $40.

 

[Stargeezer64]

I could have bought a new movement but shipping tax and exchange came to well over the price I paid for the watch. I think, just junk it. Or put a better movement in it?

 

[OmegaRules]

Ditto to what KBH stated. If your case can hold a Asian 2836-2 that may be a option for a better movement


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[d4m.test]

The standard, lowbeat DG2813 is a great little movement, it runs and runs and runs. It´s perfectly suited for daily wear and imho much more reliable than it is said to be. I have about 10 of those, have worn them for weeks in a row, left them in the box for 3 months in a row, used them for swimming, motorcycling etc. Imho a true horsebeat movement and much better/reliable/accurate than it is said to be.
As above, it´s also a throw-away and cheaply to replace movement, no need to service it when they just cost $40 packaged, dust-free and brand new. There is a slightly more pronounced stutter of the seconds hand, sometimes You see it, most often You don´t.

All above is not true for what TDs call the "highbeat 2813" which is an unreliable invention and +- the worst movement available.

Looking for a replacement? Get it here: http://www.ofrei.com/page1119.html

 

[Raddave]

What model Breitling ?

 

[DocHolliday]

The 2813 can be a workhouse. All replica movements will eventually break, and/or need servicing. That goes for gens as well. I've had some 2813's run strong for 10+. It's just the nature of the best bud.

 

[OmegaRules]

Just pulled out my Omega 50th with a 21j in it after not being worn for almost a month. Flicked the wrist and haven't even wound it and it's ticking like a champ all morning. I really should wear this one more.


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[Thrasher]

This is life in the Rep world, If you had wound it a lot the crown may have broken, I have done that. I think the best advice is buy an Asian movement whether it be asian 2813 for a low beat vintage watch or asian 2836 for a high beat modern watch. if you want to save a hundred bucks buy a new asian movement off eBay or a new $230 swiss movement from Otto Frei if the watch is really special to you. BK offers watches with new swiss movements, TC offers great Subs with great movements. Never buy a watch from a TD that says swiss movement and charges more than an Asian movement. The swiss movements our dealers offer are mostly rebuilt junk.

here are some movements.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HANGZHOU-64...844be26&pid=100011&rk=1&rkt=1&sd=111769923921

http://www.ebay.com/itm/13099632298...49&var=430197352878&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

http://www.ebay.com/itm/131319045339?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

http://www.ofrei.com/page_183.html#33083

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DG2813-Asia...nt-GOLD-NEW-/321565853208?hash=item4aded18618

 

[DocHolliday]

This is life in the Rep world, If you had wound it a lot the crown may have broken, I have done that. I think the best advice is buy an Asian movement whether it be asian 2813 for a low beat vintage watch or asian 2836 for a high beat modern watch. if you want to save a hundred bucks buy a new asian movement off eBay or a new $230 swiss movement from Otto Frei if the watch is really special to you. BK offers watches with new swiss movements, TC offers great Subs with great movements. Never buy a watch from a TD that says swiss movement and charges more than an Asian movement. The swiss movements our dealers offer are mostly rebuilt junk.


here are some movements.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HANGZHOU-64...844be26&pid=100011&rk=1&rkt=1&sd=111769923921

http://www.ebay.com/itm/13099632298...49&var=430197352878&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

http://www.ebay.com/itm/131319045339?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

http://www.ofrei.com/page_183.html#33083

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DG2813-Asia...nt-GOLD-NEW-/321565853208?hash=item4aded18618

Yup!

 

[Stargeezer64]

Its a Seawolf. Not a Chrono obviously, just a straight time/date model. Very nice replica, I have been very happy with it all summer. Until now.

 

[Stargeezer64]

i should add that it kept excellent time. Have to see how it does now.

 

[Stargeezer64]

What is a high beat versus lowbeat? This is the movement I was going to buy. It is 21,600 BPH. Link below ( scroll down to DG 2813 ). What is the highball value?

http://www.ofrei.com/page1119.html

 

[d4m.test]

What is a high beat versus lowbeat? This is the movement I was going to buy. It is 21,600 BPH. Link below ( scroll down to DG 2813 ). What is the highball value?

http://www.ofrei.com/page1119.html

21.600 beats per hour is fine (lowbeat) +- 6 ticks per second. A highbeat would be 28.800 bph (this is fine for ETA and ETA-clone movements) +- 8 ticks per second.

 

[Thrasher]

You would want a 2836 or 2824 whatever is in it now, its a modern watch so it will be high beat.

 

[Raddave]

Its a Seawolf. Not a Chrono obviously, just a straight time/date model. Very nice replica, I have been very happy with it all summer. Until now.

Can you "pop the hood " so we can see exactly what ya got in there ......... it will make a difference as the hand size and dial locating feet are not the same from the 2813 to the 2836......

 

[SUMIKITO]

OK, here is the lowdown and facts on the so called Chinese made 2813 21 j movement. Not ALL 2813's are built alike. Nope. No. A DG 2813 is a good one. Then, there are the copies and clones of the GOOD 2813's. And copies of clones themselves. Copies of copies. Some are really bad, as in Canal street BAD !! If your watch has these 'bad' copies made by a hole in the wall factory, then tough luck for you. An original DG2813 is a well built and robust movement, and so are a few others like the ones made by SeaGull. The others are well, not so. So, it is a flip of the coin when you get these movements. So let us not bash the 2813 as being a so so movement. Like others have said, it can go go, and go and go. The 2813's sold by O'Frei watch parts are the cream of the crop in A2813's. They don't sell the junky ones. Good luck !!

 

[Stargeezer64]

So years ago a me and a buddy of mine were going to buy into a watch business and focus on antique clocks and watches. Didn't happen but I have always had the interest. If a person wanted to change out a movement and thereby learn a bit of watch lore how would you learn to do this? I have seen tutorials on RWI. Are there online resources to learn the art? I suspect a good collection of tools would be necessary. We could start with a tutorial on how to remove back of this watch.