New thinner case Luminor Marina 1950 Incl. Carbotech

[ALE7575]

I think they can get the new thickness right with the 7750. Let's hope and see.

Maybe not the first batch, but I think eventually they will.

I agree with [MENTION=12819]mysterio[/MENTION].
That will be impossible !!
Makers had problem even with the thickness of P.9000

ALE

 

[thefever]

Surely they can shave off 2mm off these cases and make it work with an A7750. Looks like a thinner CB maybe and midcase are the differences at jump out. Bezel height looks unchanged and the lugs on the new case are slimmer.

 

[sinsir]

I doubt it. They couldn't do that with the manual movements (from A6497 to the new 8-day P.5000) so I am skeptical they would be able to with the autos.

@Ale knows more than the reset of us when it comes to PAM, probably all combined. I know it's not a PAM, but I have nearly a 10yr old Daytona 7750 that is 14mm thick. There are some gen chronos out there reported as thin as 13.5mm. The 7750 is 7.9mm. I'm sure there is a reason, but why would the factory not be able to get the new 1950 down to 15.65mm or thereabouts?

 

[mysterio]

@Ale knows more than the reset of us when it comes to PAM, probably all combined. I know it's not a PAM, but I have nearly a 10yr old Daytona 7750 that is 14mm thick. There are some gen chronos out there reported as thin as 13.5mm. The 7750 is 7.9mm. I'm sure there is a reason, but why would the factory not be able to get the new 1950 down to 15.65mm or thereabouts?

The movement by itself is 7.9mm. If you add complications like datewheels, seconds @9, you're going to add to the thickness. The watch construction itself is different from say a Daytona in that the crystal on the Daytona is relatively flat compared to the domed crystal on some PAMs that use the A7750 movement. That's my opinion anyway, you can go ask [MENTION=35350]ALE7575[/MENTION] since he knows more than everyone else combined as you say.

 

[sinsir]

The movement by itself is 7.9mm. If you add complications like datewheels, seconds @9, you're going to add to the thickness. The watch construction itself is different from say a Daytona in that the crystal on the Daytona is relatively flat compared to the domed crystal on some PAMs that use the A7750 movement. That's my opinion anyway, you can go ask @ALE7575 since he knows more than everyone else combined as you say.

I agree as you build the movement into a case we are going to get thicker. especially a 1950 PAM. Looking at the picture in the thread it looks like the case back is much thinner and the case a bit thinner. The crystal looks mostly the same dome. I know these aren't official diagrams or anything like that but it gives an idea where the fat will be trimmed.

Agreed the Daytona is a totally different animal than a PAM, but one of the reasons I brought up the Daytona is that the rep industry has come a long way since then, there may be hope??? I say that, but to this day the only way to get the Daytona close to gen thickness is a different movement or make it a manual wind by removing the rotor and changing the case back.

Anyway, let's hope the factories figure out something...

 

[sinsir]

Tech specs on the 9010 fro their site:

http://www.panerai.com/en-us/in-house-movements/automatic-movement/p9010-calibre.html
Automatic mechanical, P.9010 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 13¾ lignes, 6.0 mm thick, 31 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 28,800 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 3 days, two barrels. 200 components.

 

[mysterio]

Tech specs on the 9010 fro their site:

http://www.panerai.com/en-us/in-house-movements/automatic-movement/p9010-calibre.html
Automatic mechanical, P.9010 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 13¾ lignes, 6.0 mm thick, 31 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 28,800 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 3 days, two barrels. 200 components.

Yes, the P.9010 is 1.9mm thinner than the P.9000. However, without using a new movement, then essentially the factories wouldn't be able to use a thinner case. The reason why the new series has a flatter caseback compared to the series it replaces is because of that 1.9mm difference.

 

[ALE7575]

As above commented P.9010 has 6mm tick. Basic A7750 has 7,9mm
But we need also to include decoration and the new placement of the rotor
As above said: impossible with a regular A7750
Even based in A7750, makers would need to start a new project. Almost a "Clone"

Bad news for the PAM reps and for the old gen PAM models P.9000 based.
Gen people will not buy the old thicker models without strong discounts.
Rep makers will not want developing the Clone P.9000 and will have a lot of difficulties making clones or even acceptable reps for P.9010.

ALE

 

[Swaggerdad88]

It's a clear move by Panerai to halt the production of super reps against their new models.

 

[mysterio]

It's a clear move by Panerai to halt the production of super reps against their new models.

It may be. But manufacturers will always try to improve upon their existing design, irregardless of what happens in the rep world. The P.9010 was meant to be an improvement over the existing P.9000, which is why the models using the new movement are mostly updated from those using the P.9000 previously, like the 01312 (00312), 01359 (00359), 01499 (00499) and so forth. Plus OP would never admit to implementing something that was intended to foil the replica factories. Kinda like how Apple says the latest iOS update is for improvements to battery life, bug fixes, etc but not once admitting that the new iOS version is meant to thwart the jailbreak of the iDevices.

 

[pfdamion876]

Welcome to the club, AP ROO 42mm and 44mm reps welcome you.

 

[Swaggerdad88]

Exactly. They won't ever admit it but it's pretty obvious.

 

[ALE7575]

It may be. But manufacturers will always try to improve upon their existing design, irregardless of what happens in the rep world. The P.9010 was meant to be an improvement over the existing P.9000, which is why the models using the new movement are mostly updated from those using the P.9000 previously, like the 01312 (00312), 01359 (00359), 01499 (00499) and so forth. Plus OP would never admit to implementing something that was intended to foil the replica factories. Kinda like how Apple says the latest iOS update is for improvements to battery life, bug fixes, etc but not once admitting that the new iOS version is meant to thwart the jailbreak of the iDevices.

I agree with you mysterio

PANERAI is trying to improve its watches and designs, besides many people were asking PANERAI for thinner watches. On my last visit to PAM AD in Madrid they toll me that the new thinner designs will be a success for the brand due to the demand from buyers.

I honestly don't think PANERAI was thinking of reps with its new movements. But obviously they know that with the new thinner movements it will be much more difficult the copies.

ALE