New super rep incoming? - VS PAM616

[reppists]

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I'll briefly translate what it means, the P9000 V2 has the ability to change the hour hand and the date wheel can't be change date by date. The function of the movement has been updated and matched with gen, the carbon pattern has been achieved the same pattern as gen, using the technology of carbon tech.

 

[Repworld]

It’s out https://puretime05.com/pam616-carbo...p-9000-super-clone-v3-free-leather-strap.html


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[Repworld]

The question is did vsf bought Gen , how super Rep without Gen sample that’s impossible


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[mysterio]

The question is did vsf bought Gen , how super Rep without Gen sample that’s impossible


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That's a rather naive way of thinking. It doesn't require the purchase of a gen sample of the exact same watch to produce a super rep. The parts are so common with PAMs that you only need some watches to produce a large quantity. For example the movement is the same P.9000 that has been used in plenty of other PAMs that have come before it, like the PAM312, PAM359 and the PAM382. The case structure of the PAM616 is also not unique, as it is the standard construction of the modern 47mm submersible like the PAM569 and PAM508. The dial, although having a Carbotech logo, is also not unique in construction. The only thing that's new is the use of the forged carbon material with the unique layering pattern (there already was a forged carbon material used for APs but it was a marbled look. In fact there were some hybrid PAMs that were released with the FC carbon case). So no, it's not impossible.

On a separate note, I'm surprised you're still here. I thought you said DR3M3L was unprofessional and that you had no need for RWI?

 

[GTgamo]

Long time lurker here, but i am curious as to why the case back stamping does not match the original in color for the lettering? No malice intended, just a curious question, as it appears so much effort was put into this "super-rep".

 

[mysterio]

Long time lurker here, but i am curious as to why the case back stamping does not match the original in color for the lettering? No malice intended, just a curious question, as it appears so much effort was put into this "super-rep".

Color is such a subjective matter, especially talking about two watches taken in different lighting conditions.

 

[celestial]

Somehow it seems to me that the material used for the CG and case are different from the bezel (ie. different carbon).... Apparently there're 3 or even more shading pattern on the bezel, but the CG and case seem to have only 2 shadings just like the V1 or V6F version.

 

[GTgamo]

I was referring to the case back only. On the original it is a ring lock with a Ti insert, and the stampings in the Ti center back are what looks like engraved, instead of stamped and therefore a silver color instead of the matte Ti.

 

[GTgamo]

i would be more than happy to post some pictures, but i am not sure what the rules are on picture posting..

 

[GTgamo]

Additionally i just tried and got a oversized picture limit warning. But anyone here that is a Pan fan obviously knows what i am referring to. It seems that there are several versions, but the one i am referring to has a caseback ring lock screw down similar to the DSSD..

 

[pechspils]

Somehow it seems to me that the material used for the CG and case are different from the bezel (ie. different carbon).... Apparently there're 3 or even more shading pattern on the bezel, but the CG and case seem to have only 2 shadings just like the V1 or V6F version.

Well spotted. It looks like the bezel is new but the case/cg is the previous version with less layers, I call it the zebra look.

 

[celestial]

Well spotted. It looks like the bezel is new but the case/cg is the previous version with less layers, I call it the zebra look.

So unless this is only the prototype and they're gonna use the same materials when mass produced, I'm pretty sure VSF is gonna release V4 or even V5 in the near future.... This version still got lots to upgrade... including the P9000 movement used in the V2 PAM498 and the multi-layered carbon...

 

[mysterio]

You may post any pictures, except QC pictures asking for opinions (like "what do you think?" type of questions).

 

[pamdude]

I’m curious how reliable these movements are. Interesting if we can see what mods were done to the movement. Is it still 7750 based?

 

[celestial]

I’m curious how reliable these movements are. Interesting if we can see what mods were done to the movement. Is it still 7750 based?

Generally speaking, the VSF movements are quite reliable. You can see some reviews from the forum. Whether it's a 7750 or not, we'll let #Mysterio speak

 

[mysterio]

Generally speaking, the VSF movements are quite reliable. You can see some reviews from the forum. Whether it's a 7750 or not, we'll let #Mysterio speak

Uhm, thank you for letting me speak? :blink: The P.9000 clone movement with the same functions as the gen is not based on the A7750, from the positioning of the balance wheel alone as the placement for the A7750 has always been @11 compared to this movement which is @7, same as the gen P.9000, Reliability wise, it's hard to say. I think some ads mention that the V2 P.9001 movements were tested for a year before release, so I would expect the P.9000 movement to have been tested for that period of time as well.

By the way to mention someone, you put @ before the member name, not #.

 

[michelesanctis]

I've had 688 since October and 359 since November and they are both working fine. I did open them to regulate to my liking and they run within +1s +2s per day on winder and even better on hand.

 

[celestial]

Uhm, thank you for letting me speak? :blink: The P.9000 clone movement with the same functions as the gen is not based on the A7750, from the positioning of the balance wheel alone as the placement for the A7750 has always been @11 compared to this movement which is @7, same as the gen P.9000, Reliability wise, it's hard to say. I think some ads mention that the V2 P.9001 movements were tested for a year before release, so I would expect the P.9000 movement to have been tested for that period of time as well.

By the way to mention someone, you put @ before the member name, not #.

Thanks for the tips, mysterio

 

[mosa424]

A bit of a newbie question: does the new P.9000 clones have bidirectional or unidirectional winding? I know the movements are based the st2555, however, I can't find any info anywhere regarding the self winding mechanism on the st2555. If somebody has a watch with one of these movements, have you experienced the dreaded 7750 wobble and free spinning noisy rotor while using it?

 

[pechspils]

Unfortunately, unidirectional winding only. Not a fan of the „wobble“ myself. Another difference to the gen movement is the slow date rollover (starts at 10 pm).