The 111 is rep., the dagger regulator is flat not thick like the latest noob reps or gen., the swan neck and the rep. gear train are also tells. It seems the incabloc was replaced and so were the crown and ratchet wheel, but the rounded screws were kept, they should be flat tops. Over all a good modded rep.
Definitively the PAM 111 is a rep Noob (non new series V3 or v2.5) with good modifications to be more like gen
The 250 seems a rep too but no easy to say with the pics, but most likely rep. I don't like the L SWISS MADE L position, the CG and the font and mainly the markers positon of the thachymeter.
The Oroginal Post was placed in Mars 2012
At that moment people don't thought about CG inner edges issues !!
Now we are looking directly the CG !!
It will happen the same in some months (or one year) with the Incabloc or the Swan Neck end shape and micrometric screw if the makers decide doing these improvements!!
We will see it!!
LOL