Movement spacer ring to fit 3135 in 2824 case?

[Slowman4130]

I've done a fair bit of searching, and haven't come up with anything other than people looking to go the other way, a 2824 in a 3135 case.

Does anyone know of a movement spacer ring that would allow a 3135 to fit in a 2824 case, particularly a raffles case? The movement fits, but really needs a spacer ring to keep it centered. I tried turning a 2824 spacer ring down to fit but it gets too flimsy for my lathe jaws, ultimately it needs to be about 0.45 thick.

 

[Dino2018]

Hello! As far as I know, stem height is different. You can fit a 2824 into a 3135 case if you fit H4 wheels, that have more height, but I guess that you can't do the other way.

 

[KJ2020]

I've put a 3135 into a Noob 2824 Yachti case without issue - everything fit nicely including stem height. I had to use different movement tabs. The rotor cleared the caseback OK.

For your case which needs a custom spacer, you can use a crystal gasket. Make a single vertical cut for the stem area. Then shave the width by hand with 400, 320 or 220 grit sandpaper depending on how fast / how much you want to remove. Fold the sandpaper over the gasket, hold one end of the gasket and pull the paper down the whole length. It doesn't take long and is easy to maintain consistent width.

Don't use black sandpaper, it can stain the gasket. Use a dummy movement plate or dead movement for test fitting so you dont get nylon fibers in your good movement. Plan on ultrasound cleaning of the case and the finished gasket. The height of the gasket can be shaved also so the movement tabs are cleared, or small notches can be filed into the top edges. Use a very fine grit 2000 or 3000 to give it a final really smooth finish.

There's nothing wrong with using a nylon spacer. It can fit so well that the movement and dial are totally immobile in the case.

 

[369mafia]

Thank you for the explanation KJ2020 Appreciate your information .

this pic it appears to me that the stem is at an angle through the tube into the movement. is it the angle of the photo or is it angled that much? normal function with no issues??

 

[KJ2020]

Thank you for the explanation KJ2020 Appreciate your information .

this pic it appears to me that the stem is at an angle through the tube into the movement. is it the angle of the photo or is it angled that much? normal function with no issues??

I think the downward angle of the movement holder is influencing the apparent slope of the stem.

Here is a quick modded image removing the holder angles

To be clear the second set of images in my post #3 above (showing the gasket spacer) is a different watch and movement than the first set of images showing a 3135 in a 2824 case. Neither watch had any noticeable stem angles or crown threading/functioning issues.

 

[KJ2020]

 

[369mafia]

yah it appears to be just the angle of the photo and my eyes playing tricks on me. nicely done on the build !

 

[Slowman4130]

I've put a 3135 into a Noob 2824 Yachti case without issue - everything fit nicely including stem height. I had to use different movement tabs. The rotor cleared the caseback OK.

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This is exactly what I was looking for, thanks! I was using all sorts of plastic trying to find something of the right thickness, but a crystal gasket is probably the perfect item to use. I had to machine the caseback a bit for the rotor to clear, but otherwise it fits, just getting it to stay centered was the issue.

"supposedly" the 2824 and 3135 have the same stem height, so that shouldn't present any issues: https://imgur.com/Un5uIyX

 

[RunningFast]

Dang KJ! You never stop impressing me with your posts.

 

[OI812]

Learn something everyday, if one's eyes and ears are open. Very impressive Kj....

 

[reinier12]

@KJ2020, thank you so much for the extensive writeup! What movement tabs did you end up using for the 3135 in 2824 case? Will 3135 movement tabs work or do I need a different kind? Also do you know the specs of the nylon gasket you used? I'm looking at an 30(diameter)x0.85(height)x0.5(thick)mm gasket to hopefully avoid/minimize sanding. I saw most gaskets are 1.2mm in height or something like that.

Also for others regarding the need to dremel the raffles 2824 caseback for the 3135 rotor. Is this a couple mm on the inside or allot more work involved?

Thanks all!

 

[SasPK]

@KJ2020, thank you so much for the extensive writeup! What movement tabs did you end up using for the 3135 in 2824 case? Will 3135 movement tabs work or do I need a different kind? Also do you know the specs of the nylon gasket you used? I'm looking at an 30(diameter)x0.85(height)x0.5(thick)mm gasket to hopefully avoid/minimize sanding. I saw most gaskets are 1.2mm in height or something like that.

Also for others regarding the need to dremel the raffles 2824 caseback for the 3135 rotor. Is this a couple mm on the inside or allot more work involved?

Thanks all!

Hi,

I know it's a very late response, but fir your question for the specs of the nylon gasket, here you go...28.5x1.7x0.4mm
Overall outer diameter-29.3mm.

 

[SasPK]

Hi,

I know it's a very late response, but fir your question for the specs of the nylon gasket, here you go...28.5x1.7x0.4mm
Overall outer diameter-29.3mm.

Raffles 2824 case back fits well for 3135. You may inform Ken in advance that you're ordering it to fit a 3135 movement in it, just to be sure.

 

[Rolexmike69]

Here’s a question on 2824 raffles case for DJ using a 3135. I cased the dial and movement. The gasket tricked worked well. I’m having an issue with the crown tightening easy once all is set with tabs. When I try the crown by itself without the stem in the movement, it goes in with ease. Any suggestions on why I’m having this issue? It sounds like when crown is tightening on tube the movement is winding when tightening. Thank you!

 

[vhp]

Here’s a question on 2824 raffles case for DJ using a 3135. I cased the dial and movement. The gasket tricked worked well. I’m having an issue with the crown tightening easy once all is set with tabs. When I try the crown by itself without the stem in the movement, it goes in with ease. Any suggestions on why I’m having this issue? It sounds like when crown is tightening on tube the movement is winding when tightening. Thank you!

I have the exact same problem. Hope someone has a solution.

 

[Karbon74]

Here’s a question on 2824 raffles case for DJ using a 3135. I cased the dial and movement. The gasket tricked worked well. I’m having an issue with the crown tightening easy once all is set with tabs. When I try the crown by itself without the stem in the movement, it goes in with ease. Any suggestions on why I’m having this issue? It sounds like when crown is tightening on tube the movement is winding when tightening. Thank you!

If the stem is slightly too short, it will not fully engage the crown clutch and spring. Hence, the stem will move with the crown, instead of the crown moving freely. nothing to do with the movement

 

[Rolexmike69]

If the stem is slightly too short, it will not fully engage the crown clutch and spring. Hence, the stem will move with the crown, instead of the crown moving freely. nothing to do with the movement

100% agreed… I had this problem. Even when I used the genuine crown if the stem is too short, it will not work properly.

 

[Karbon74]

100% agreed… I had this problem. Even when I used the genuine crown if the stem is too short, it will not work properly.

I have this issue on an ongoing build.
I need to replace the stem

 

[KJ2020]

If the stem is slightly too short, it will not fully engage the crown clutch and spring. Hence, the stem will move with the crown, instead of the crown moving freely. nothing to do with the movement

^This

Get a new stem and make it 2-3 threads longer. If a stem is only slightly too long it may seem obvious but if not, incremental shortening should be done by sanding in a pin vise. Any further cutting in this scenario makes it too easy to take too much off.

 

[Karbon74]

^This

Get a new stem and make it 2-3 threads longer. If a stem is only slightly too long it may seem obvious but if not, incremental shortening should be done by sanding in a pin vise. Any further cutting in this scenario makes it too easy to take too much off.

I learned this the hard way…multiple times until I got it why it was happening