[movement review] Panerai p3000 super clone

[Rolexman]

Check it out:
http://www.rwgforum.net/topic/166048-update-ultimate-movement-review-panerai-p3000-super-clone/

 

[marlin2284]

Man they are so close, a few modifications and adjustments to the gear train and the main plate and they would be right on..... I wonder if they did this intentionally so as not to copy the inner workings of the gen? Sooooo close......

 

[mvyzfr1]

Thanks for this!

 

[DocEdelschick]

Great, Great review ! Thanks!

 

[Perry]

I want to See that movement in the noob case. Add a 74 strap and your done.

 

[ALE7575]

Thanks Mark
This is a clarifying and good review. Pics and descriptions are awesome. Congrats !!
I saw some days ago the starting of the review in RWG and I had included it in PAM GUIDE

Just some questions:

- It really seems a new movement. Or do you think is it based in an existent movement?
- If it is a new movement, why is it not made exactly like gen?
- Since the cannon pinion has a "cap", why doesn't it get the correct size in the external visible end?

Thanks again
ALE

 

[Rolexman]

Thanks Mark
This is a clarifying and good review. Pics and descriptions are awesome. Congrats !!
I saw some days ago the starting of the review in RWG and I had included it in PAM GUIDE

Just some questions:

- It really seems a new movement. Or do you think is it based in an existent movement?
- If it is a new movement, why is it not made exactly like gen?
- Since the cannon pinion has a "cap", why doesn't it get the correct size in the external visible end?

Thanks again
ALE

Thanks Ale,

I have seen a lot of movements over the years. Mainly genuine/ swiss or otherwise clones like from seagull (7750/28xx series and 6497). The cheap 21/23j Chinese throw-away movements I refuse to work on because they give me too much headaches. So that said I have never seen this lay out, nor does the base plate give the idea that this movement is used in more configurations. Based on that I believe it to be a complete new movement. Why did they not copy the genuine construction a 100% is probably based on patents. Most ETA patents are expired so they can be cloned 1:1. But then again.... This is the counterfeit industry so why would they care about patents right? In regards to the cap I believe it is just sloppiness. That could have been easily avoided.

Mark.

 

[ALE7575]

Thanks Ale,

I have seen a lot of movements over the years. Mainly genuine/ swiss or otherwise clones like from seagull (7750/28xx series and 6497). The cheap 21/23j Chinese throw-away movements I refuse to work on because they give me too much headaches. So that said I have never seen this lay out, nor does the base plate give the idea that this movement is used in more configurations. Based on that I believe it to be a complete new movement. Why did they not copy the genuine construction a 100% is probably based on patents. Most ETA patents are expired so they can be cloned 1:1. But then again.... This is the counterfeit industry so why would they care about patents right? In regards to the cap I believe it is just sloppiness. That could have been easily avoided.

Mark.

Hi Mark

Many thanks for the thorough reply
Your answer makes sense.
And, as always, I repeat it is a pity many time and money spend to get some SILLY flaws like CP and wrong inscriptions

You have save many time for me with this review, you have avoided a lot of speculations about this matter, and I'm grateful for that !!

As already said I have included this link in PAM GUIDE as a reference.

Thanks again and I hope so see you more frequently in RWI PAM Section

Regards
ALE
PAM Section Moderator

 

[ALE7575]

Rolexman has updated info
This new clone movements are running with more than 92hrs. of PR at this moment.

But this movement, well regulated, starts running OK fully wound, but is running more and more fast every day and from 48hrs-72hrs is running almost 1 minute fast per day !! and increasing every day...

ALE

 

[mysterio]

Rolexman has updated info
This new clone movements are running with more than 92hrs. of PR at this moment.

But this movement, well regulated, starts running OK fully wound, but is running more and more fast every day and from 48hrs-72hrs is running almost 1 minute fast per day !! and increasing every day...

ALE

And this is for a regulated movement, one wonders how much the error would be on an unregulated OOB unit. At least for this movement, if you wind it every 48 hours, you prevent the runaway movement (I know it defeats the purpose of having a 3 day PR movement butwhen you need winding every 2 days).

 

[ALE7575]

You could regulate it -30 sec/day and wind it every 72hrs.
As suggested by Rolexman
ALE

 

[EddyG]

Link to RWG doesn't to work anymore Any other link for this great thread?

 

[sweden]

Works fine for me. RWG was done today I think so that could be the problem

 

[barney_stinson]

The link is broken. I hope it is just a temporary failure.

 

[sweden]

The whole site is down, when its up again the link will work

 

[q004]

Wondering of this is the right post to ask. I was thinking of swaping the P3000 movt into my ZF 504 with decorated 6497... It seems from the original review that the hands are not exchangeable? Is there anyone can confirm this?