I agree Cybee. My friends and I have had HEATEd discussions on things from politics to religion to Yankees/Mets lol. An outsider would think we were on the verge of bloodshed, but minutes later we're in the backyard drinking beers, like nothing happened. i myself am guilty of going overboard earlier in the thread. But, appologized because i was wrong, plain and simple. emotions got the best of me, because it is a touchy thing with me. In my eyes this country's security is always the main thing. I lost friends on 9/11. kids i knew since i'm 5. I work(ed) 3 blocks away, and daily got off the train and smelled the mix of rotting flesh and burning jet fuel. not pretty, especially knowing some of that rotting flesh was my friends, my dad's Port authority friends, etc. The country said "Never forget" well I haven't bud sadly it seems most of the country has. In the end like a previous poster said i think we all want a better country, we all want improvements, just disagree about the path to get there.