Marina Militare by Parnis? Franken possiblities?

[rolex_submariner]

Hey all, new to this Panerai world. I usually have messed with Rolex sub builds. I recently picked up what Is I believe a Parnis, but it is a Marina Militare. Looks very accurate to an actual Panerai Luminor and was wondering if it accepts gen parts. Its running an Asian 6497 which I know Panerai used upgraded ETA 6497 etc. I figured this is a 1:1 rep that just doesn't have the Panerai logo on it so it is deemed a homage instead. I only picked this up to see if I would actually like Panerai, but now wondering if doing a franken build would be possible. Mainly movement, dial and hands in the existing case. Maybe get a genuine crown/crown guard and test for water resistance to be around 100m. Let me know thoughts.

 

[JayBee0815]

There are lots of hommages in this style out there. All the parts are available at ebay or Ali Express and you can build your own "Marina" for around 60 Euro. Your watch has a ST36-Movement which is ETA 6497 Clone. So the dial and the hands should be compatible to Gen-Parts from Pams with a ETA-Movement. But this parts are rather expensive. And your hommage is - like all these cheaper hommages - not really Gen-like if you go into the details. Take the movement for example, which is not decorated and not looking at all like the Gen-Movement. Your watch has the "new" 1950-Case, where afaik all 44mm Luminor with a 6497-"Clone" from Panerai have the "old" Betarini Case.So it is highly questionable if this make sense. Its like putting some High-End-Carbon-Brakes for 3.000 Euro in a old rusty VW Polo that is worth 200 Euro. My tipp: If you really want to go Franken, then look for a good 111 Rep from Noob or XF, which you should get here on M2M for around 250 Euro. With these you have a proper base for a Franken-Project.

 

[BlueLineFarmer]

OP - You have a cheap homage, not worth putting the gen parts into a cheap watch. Sorta like Queen Elizabeth getting plastic surgery on her nose and lips and entering the Miss Universe beauty pagent.

 

[rolex_submariner]

Got it. Yeah wasn’t sure if the case quality is good enough or if water resistance can be had if using better gaskets and crystal/crown. I wasn’t looking to build a Franken but more just to see if proportions and style on wrist would be something I’d like to have, before looking into gen. But once I received it, I started thinking if it was possible to throw a gen 6497 with a dial and hands, and maybe a bracelet and just wear it as a beater.

 

[Invetero]

Got it. Yeah wasn’t sure if the case quality is good enough or if water resistance can be had if using better gaskets and crystal/crown. I wasn’t looking to build a Franken but more just to see if proportions and style on wrist would be something I’d like to have, before looking into gen. But once I received it, I started thinking if it was possible to throw a gen 6497 with a dial and hands, and maybe a bracelet and just wear it as a beater.

you could absolutely do that since most of the parts will indeed fit, this could be a fun build but it would not be an accurate rep
if accuracy and 1:1 watch is not your objective, then go ahead !

 

[JayBee0815]

Got it. Yeah wasn’t sure if the case quality is good enough or if water resistance can be had if using better gaskets and crystal/crown. I wasn’t looking to build a Franken but more just to see if proportions and style on wrist would be something I’d like to have, before looking into gen. But once I received it, I started thinking if it was possible to throw a gen 6497 with a dial and hands, and maybe a bracelet and just wear it as a beater.

Of course you can instal a 500-Euro-Movement in a 20-Euro-Case with a 8-Euro-Dial. But why?

 

[BlueLineFarmer]

Of course you can instal a 500-Euro-Movement in a 20-Euro-Case with a 8-Euro-Dial. But why?

OP needs to get himself a VSF rep PAM to be enlightened for the PAM rep watch addiction.

 

[superspark69]

The biggest issue with Franken pams now is that the parts just aren’t available anymore

 

[klockjohan]

Put your cash in a good replica instead.
There are still many available.

 

[rolex_submariner]

you could absolutely do that since most of the parts will indeed fit, this could be a fun build but it would not be an accurate rep
if accuracy and 1:1 watch is not your objective, then go ahead !

yeah my initial thought was, is this case water resistant to about 100m and if not can it be if a better crystal/gasket and gen crown is used. If I modified this thing I’d like to be able to swim/snorkel with it. I don’t dive so.

 

[JayBee0815]

yeah my initial thought was, is this case water resistant to about 100m and if not can it be if a better crystal/gasket and gen crown is used. If I modified this thing I’d like to be able to swim/snorkel with it. I don’t dive so.

When this homage has 100m WR then you can swim with it. And if water comes in? Then you can throw away a 60 Euro watch and buy a new one. Why upgrade it for hundreds or thousands of Euro?

 

[rolex_submariner]

When this homage has 100m WR then you can swim with it. And if water comes in? Then you can throw away a 60 Euro watch and buy a new one. Why upgrade it for hundreds or thousands of Euro?

so a Noob or XF PAM005 PAM111 would be a good base to start a franken build if I wanted to go down that path? Are the cases really good? And can they achieve some water resistance if genuine gaskets/crown are installed?

 

[KOT1917]

First, regarding homage.
If you decide to build a homage, you must select the model you want to build.
For example, as already mentioned, in the 44mm case there were only automatic movements.
Further - if you just want to build something good to your taste from the details that you find - you have no restrictions, many are not even on the homage forum, but on the forum, they do this, and by adding some of their individual parts, they even manage to sell .
If you want to make something based on the ETA6497 - go ahead, look for parts, read, assemble them, build, it's a long and interesting path for some.
As for the WR100M, Getat used to give a guarantee for its homages 100m, but now, it seems, only with a solid caseback, even if it's a radiomir. He did and you can, a matter of practice and time. And yes, having an ETA inside won't prevent them from keeping the WR, it just increases the risk in case of an error.
And finally: even bettarini parnis cases look different, cheaper, simpler. One good rep noob caseset will take you to another level of aesthetics. The same goes for lumes, fonts, everything. Parnis caseset costs $30, treat it like it is and wait for it.
When parnis appeared, how many copies were broken on the gen forums, that this is the same, but cheaper. Today, we look at 250 replicas, and we understand that they are far from gen, but a light mile from parnis.
As for "how to make your watch waterproof"? Buy a few kits, read and learn. Everyone will pass this way on their own. The path of trial and error.

Good luck to you.

 

[rolex_submariner]

First, regarding homage.
If you decide to build a homage, you must select the model you want to build.
For example, as already mentioned, in the 44mm case there were only automatic movements.
Further - if you just want to build something good to your taste from the details that you find - you have no restrictions, many are not even on the homage forum, but on the forum, they do this, and by adding some of their individual parts, they even manage to sell .
If you want to make something based on the ETA6497 - go ahead, look for parts, read, assemble them, build, it's a long and interesting path for some.
As for the WR100M, Getat used to give a guarantee for its homages 100m, but now, it seems, only with a solid caseback, even if it's a radiomir. He did and you can, a matter of practice and time. And yes, having an ETA inside won't prevent them from keeping the WR, it just increases the risk in case of an error.
And finally: even bettarini parnis cases look different, cheaper, simpler. One good rep noob caseset will take you to another level of aesthetics. The same goes for lumes, fonts, everything. Parnis caseset costs $30, treat it like it is and wait for it.
When parnis appeared, how many copies were broken on the gen forums, that this is the same, but cheaper. Today, we look at 250 replicas, and we understand that they are far from gen, but a light mile from parnis.
As for "how to make your watch waterproof"? Buy a few kits, read and learn. Everyone will pass this way on their own. The path of trial and error.

Good luck to you.

thanks for the information! I believe the one I have after research isn’t Parnis, but it’s the Getat version. I may test it to see what type of WR resistance it has in current form. The Getat is apparently a 1:1 copy of a PAM111, which is why it has the exhibition case back.

 

[KOT1917]

Always happy to help. Getet just collected them. And for an additional fee guaranteed for a number of WR models. As far as I remember, for radiomir in a 45mm case, with a solid caseback, this was his best result.

It is fashionable to pierce eristal, put gaskets, lubricate, check threaded connections on any pam, be it parnis, noob, or gen. The question is that among those whose processing flaws do not allow doing this in principle, through processing, testing, error and repetition - to choose the best.
As far as I know, he has always valued radiomir more in this regard, because sealing a thread is always easier than a "patented system".
At the same time, it must be remembered that a hundred more leaks occur at the point of a crystal with a bezel during a crooked fitting.
Either choose the best sample, or do it yourself - the choice is yours.

 

[papabear244]

Op that watch can be modded to a vintage “mini fiddy”, It would be terrific and you can wear it as a beater. Check out the mini fiddy builds at Homage Forum!


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[jcagara08]

OP - You have a cheap homage, not worth putting the gen parts into a cheap watch. Sorta like Queen Elizabeth getting plastic surgery on her nose and lips and entering the Miss Universe beauty pagent.

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!

OP, if you want this to last a lifetime, perhaps putting in an SWISS 6497 (readily available everywhere) would suffice your needs, PLUS a decent strap, AND some waterproofing.

 

[JayBee0815]

thanks for the information! I believe the one I have after research isn’t Parnis, but it’s the Getat version. I may test it to see what type of WR resistance it has in current form. The Getat is apparently a 1:1 copy of a PAM111, which is why it has the exhibition case back.

Mate, your watch neither is a Getat nor a Copy of a 111 ;-)

 

[rolex_submariner]

Thanks for all of the opinions. Just to be clear, I am not trying to go against anyone's insight or knowledge in this thread, just was wondering the limitations of what I have. Personally the finishing and quality is pretty nice on this piece and I was definitely surprised. I honesty purchased this watch off Ebay in brand new condition mainly as a cheaper way to see if I would even like a Panerai. I wasn't planning to franken or even buy a rep to be honest. But, after receiving it Friday and wearing it all weekend, I was blown away at how much I do like the style and was then going down the rabbit hole of is it something to franken or build better vs buying a rep vs buying genuine.

 

[KOT1917]

Just buy a good rep m2m bettarini case, be it 111, 005, 176, 177, or maybe something more fun. And you will understand that there are a lot of different interesting things that guys have been discussing for 15 years...
(well, I'm literally a couple)