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Manny Pacquiao v Shane Mosley

Five of Clubs

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I dislike Paquiao with a passion. Almost an unhealthy hatred. He's a cheater. Many people know it. That's how he has that "stamina" that you all admire. He's just another product of the Steroid era. I grew up watch Hagler, Hearns, Duran etc. Mike Tyson was a lion in the ring. They were all clean. I doubt Mosle has what it takes, but I doubt it.

Mosley is a confirmed and admitted cheater (BALCO scandal). Nobody ever mentions that. Pacquiao has never been caught doing anything wrong, however suspicious his meteoric rise has been.

I was all set to get the PPV until the Soto/Antillon bout was scrapped (rematch of last years fight of the year). Hey Badwin, let us know how Kelly Pavlik looks in his return! Here in Kentucky, all they have been talking about today is the Derby...
 

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+1. I have a big disadvantage though. The fight should start at approx 4am my time and I have work tomorrow so there's no way I'm gonna catch it live!

I'll be watching the whole show from my end at about 7pm tomorrow without knowing the result.
 

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Please. Pac is not a cheater ? You people who think that are either naive or from the Phillipines. Barry Bonds never failed a drug test either. Shall we discuss if he used PED's ? He is an athlete, who's a product of the Steroid Era. He is as dirty as they come. Anyone who has followed boxing for as along as I have can attest that you do not move up that many weight classes , that quickly and not lose your punching power , without some sort of PED. The same goes for MMA. The only way these guys bulk up the way they do is the are on a cycle of PEDS.

I have a good friend who many of you know. He was featured on the first season of " The Ultimate Fighter ". The stories he has told me about usage, are amazing. he himself used them while at his peak because it was the only way to remain competetive.

Mayweather exposed this little clown for the fraud that he is, and he's a little bitch for not wanting to submit to olympic testing rules, for a fight. He knows he will get hic clock cleaned if he is clean by a better fighter. Mosely was also "named" in the Balco scam. But he doesn't go aoround pontificating his existence like this clown. I am not a Mosley fan either, but I will be rooting for him to put this little bitch into the ground.
 

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You are talking shite BMW. I'm not naive and I'm not from the Phillipines!
I know what a great fighter is though. Pacquiao is up there with the very best of all time.
 

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Please. Pac is not a cheater ? You people who think that are either naive or from the Phillipines. Barry Bonds never failed a drug test either. Shall we discuss if he used PED's ? He is an athlete, who's a product of the Steroid Era. He is as dirty as they come.

Settle down! I have no knowledge of whether Pacquiao is a cheater or not, but I will admit it looks suspicious. However, what you have implied above is that every professional athlete in the last 20 years has used steriods. The type of blanket statement is a shortcut to thinking, in my opinion. The one thing that we are certain of is that there is no evidence to support that he has taken PEDs.

Anyone who has followed boxing for as along as I have can attest that you do not move up that many weight classes , that quickly and not lose your punching power , without some sort of PED. The same goes for MMA. The only way these guys bulk up the way they do is the are on a cycle of PEDS.

I don't know how long you have followed boxing, but it seems it may not be long enough because you have failed to consider Henry Armstrong. He had the same rise in weight (roughly bantam to welter) and enjoyed the same success, or perhaps even more. He is generally regarded as one of the best ever behind Robinson and Ali. Armstrong also fought at a time when nobody was using steroids, or had even heard of them.

To add on this, if Pacquiao was usings steroids why wouldn't he bulk up to the full welterweight limit of 147 pounds? This is his fifth fight at welterweight, and he has come in at: 142, 144, 145, 144 and 145. This might not seem like much to a casual fan but in boxing terms, this is actually a big disadvantage.

Mayweather exposed this little clown for the fraud that he is, and he's a little bitch for not wanting to submit to olympic testing rules, for a fight. He knows he will get hic clock cleaned if he is clean by a better fighter.

Mayweather doesn't want anything to do with Pacquaio right now, but I'm not sure why. [I think May would win an easy decision against him]. Mayweather knew Pacquiao doesn't like to give blood prior to a fight and forced that issue to wiggle out of negotiations. I truly believe that. Pacquiao relented to unlimited blood testing until seven days prior to the fight, and unlimited urine anytime (during subsequent negotiations). Plus, the commision draws blood after the fight. I can't think of a PED that can be taken only for the week leading up to the fight, and then will be gone by the time the fight is over. Can your friend in the MMA? Maybe there is one, I don't know but it seems like it would be ineffective.

Mosely was also "named" in the Balco scam. But he doesn't go aoround pontificating his existence like this clown.

I don't even know what to say about this. Pacquiao is one of the more respectful fighters out there right now, as is Mosley. There has been almost zero trash talking during this promotion. Pacquiao is a friggin congressman!

I want to put this next part in all capital letters so before you guys jump on me thinking I am a big fan of his: I AM NOT REALLY A PACQUIAO FAN. HE IS USUALLY AN EXCITING FIGHTER SO I NORMALLY WATCH HIM WHEN I CAN. HOWEVER, I ACTUALLY THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR BOXING IF MOSLEY WON THE FIGHT. ON TOP OF THAT, I THINK MAYWEATHER IS BETTER THAN BOTH OF THEM BUT I AM DISGUSTED THAT HE WON'T FIGHT ANYONE AT ALL!!!
 

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When did Congressmen become respectable people ? :rofl: In a third world country of all places. If they are dirty in this country, what am I to expect in a thirld world country where a middle class doesn't even exist.

Go ahead and root for your boy all you want. There IS a cloud around athletes in the last 15 years. NFL, MLB Boxing and every sport. How much more proof do you want ? It's a shame for the clean ones , but there have been more cheaters than otherwise. You'll see the effects in another decade when they begin to pay the consequences healthwise. Lyle Alzado's death obviously went unheard for most of these guys.

I'm done fighting with you PAC honks. I'm taking advantage of my 73" HD feed to spot watches ! :)
 

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Go ahead and root for your boy all you want...

I'm done fighting with you PAC honks...

I guess you missed the part in all capital letters. Anyway, I don't care who wins this fight as long as it is entertaining!
 

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I didn't miss it. I also want a good fight. I'm being charged $65 for this. It's amazing how the PPV pricing is going up.

Waka Waka is wearing a Rolex Daytona. You think he got it from Lay or Angus ?? :rofl:
 

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It's no fact that he IS using drugs but in the same token, neither is he NOT using them.

Alls I know is that he dominated Mosley. He just kept chasing and chasing him most of the rounds and Pac even got furious in the last few rounds because Mosley pushed him into the ground.

Good fight? yes. Great? No..... looked like an average GSP fight to me...like watching a chess match.
(I'm a GSP fan so suck it b1tches :D)
 

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how can it be an amazing fight if only 1 is fighting
 

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Yeah, he hasn't had a fight in a while where the opponents really gave it their all. Once they find out his power and speed they clam up. Oh well... looking forward to his next fight.