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Low grade pam reps

KOT1917

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Today, as you know, you cannot order and receive a regular VSF, NOOB. For a long time REP PAM, factories with high GEN scores such as ZF, HF, SF or XF / V6F / KW have been out of the game for a long time.

In fact, today we only have HWF in the free purchase mode, but it should be borne in mind that these are just manual models, and not the highest level (in relation to old noobs, for example), and they are not so expensive.

However, for those who are used to being interested in more complex and fashionable models, these days there are practically no options, and therefore I have strengthened the presence of factories that were not previously seriously discussed, for example XCF, V7. , King, XZ and some others.

They are clearly inferior in overall setup than the HWF, but offer some pretty interesting automatic models at a price similar to the classic PAM HWFs.

It must be admitted that the level of such factories has grown significantly in recent years, but nevertheless these are the ones that mix parts, issue old cases for new models, do not use exotic materials, but instead paint the flock in different colors, almost always either seagull 2555 is used and brothers, or even quartz, but this is something that can help people who do not strive for 100% compliance with the requirements of the generation, but simply want variety or are simply limited on budget.

There are always a lot of such models, no one has ever closely followed the names of factories, not all and not always have a TD, but nevertheless:

I suggest leaving this thread to discuss these kinds of models, while checking the actual current of interest at the same time.
 

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What's the price point on these?
 

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I don’t know, I haven’t looked for them on TD sites, but usually such models in this category cost about $ 200 - $ 250.
 

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Usually, the first thing that turns me off is the date wheel because the cheapies don’t bother to match the color of the date (among other things). But when the gen happen to have a white font like in this case, I can almost see past it.


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I'm not defending it - it's all the same very far, even from VSF (to which there are a lot of questions), but I must give it credit that these cheap factories at least do not use the standard DW from ST, as it was not so long ago.
 

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As today I'm not into "entry level" reps like these, but I'm curious to see what politic these "young" factories will go for in a near future : try to upgrade their game and make better replicas, to fill the premium rep gap left by Noob or VSF ? Or keep going on with low end reps ?

Time will tell, but in anyway this thread has a legitimate place here, thanx KOT1917

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I'm not defending it - it's all the same very far, even from VSF (to which there are a lot of questions), but I must give it credit that these cheap factories at least do not use the standard DW from ST, as it was not so long ago.

Are any of these cheap pams suitable in anyway for parts for those of us that have Noob, VSF models in hand?
 

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This cannot be generalized, it is necessary to consider each specific part for a specific model.
These are different factories, different parts, different models.
What you want, everything depends on it.
 

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Here is another one to study. The pam587.
Obviously the movement decoration is off but other than that, I’m quite impressed. What do you guys think?

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Here is another one to study. The pam587.
Obviously the movement decoration is off but other than that, I’m quite impressed. What do you guys think?

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This one looks a lot more acceptable
 

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Here is another one to study. The pam587.
Obviously the movement decoration is off but other than that, I’m quite impressed. What do you guys think?

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Do you have a link to the seller ?
 

papabear244

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I saw it on AliExpress a few weeks ago but it looks like they took it down.


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Guys, I think the 587 I showed was an SF. Although with its flaws, I don’t think it’s a “low grade fac”. Nor is it obtainable atm.


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No, this is not SF. Those had a P.3000 clone. And also it is not V6F.
It doesn't look bad, but it strongly resembles XC models such as the PAM448 / 449, PAM424 / 425 that Trusty sells.
 
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Let me just say that vsf has to emerge or re-emerge at some point even if it’s in the form of a new factory or in partnership with an existing factory. No?

I mean reps are like biology in Jurassic Park (crime In general) - they will find a way. All that equipment (was it all sorted?) and knowledge (details and techniques) are put there. They have to find a way back to the market someway, somehow, at some point.

I don’t know. Just thinking out loud. Rant over.


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I saw it on AliExpress a few weeks ago but it looks like they took it down.


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A lot of times I think they take pictures of reps made years and years ago and post those. I can’t tell you how many times I saw pics of a 605 or 372 that were somewhere between really good and decent - yet definitely a replica - and they look good so I ordered them to take a chance. But when they came in they were cheap, bad, low quality reps that were way off and nothing like the pics.

So while the pic might be of an SF v2 605 or an Diff decent factory, you order it and get some god awful version of something that you’re not even sure if it’s supposed to be a 605 (or whatever model you order)

Remember aliexpress and DH gate sellers do not play by the same rules. As we know with Rolex, sometimes they even use pics of the gens. With Panerai, seeing a pic of a rep gave me hope but when it arrived I was nothing but disappointed.

This happened with other brands in the past too. Not just Panerai but they can be sneaky.

I mean if you look on DH gate there are a ton of pics of decent 605s yet as we know, there are no good ones to be had anywhere.


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A lot of times I think they take pictures of reps made years and years ago and post those. I can’t tell you how many times I saw pics of a 605 or 372 that were somewhere between really good and decent - yet definitely a replica - and they look good so I ordered them to take a chance. But when they came in they were cheap, bad, low quality reps that were way off and nothing like the pics.

So while the pic might be of an SF v2 605 or an Diff decent factory, you order it and get some god awful version of something that you’re not even sure if it’s supposed to be a 605 (or whatever model you order)

Remember aliexpress and DH gate sellers do not play by the same rules. As we know with Rolex, sometimes they even use pics of the gens. With Panerai, seeing a pic of a rep gave me hope but when it arrived I was nothing but disappointed.

This happened with other brands in the past too. Not just Panerai but they can be sneaky.

I mean if you look on DH gate there are a ton of pics of decent 605s yet as we know, there are no good ones to be had anywhere.


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Yeah that’s the classical bait and switch. I got bitten once already, ordered what was supposed to be a 45mm black seal, but it turned out to be utter crap. Luckily I was able to return it, and I think most of the times you’ll win, but you need to show them the evidence. But it’s all just a waste of time. They are just hoping they sell it to someone who can’t tell the difference or find the watch to be acceptable and not worth the hassle of returning.


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No, this is not SF. Those had a P.3000 clone. And also it is not V6F.
It doesn't look bad, but it strongly resembles XC models such as the PAM448 / 449, PAM424 / 425 that Trusty sells.

Thanks for the clarification KOT.
Seems like simpler the dial is (base, Cali), the less chance they have to muck it up. But Idk why they all go for the p.9010 models.


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