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After the mourning period is over, (when the hurting stops) I might try a few more TD's before giving the 243 a proper burial and buying a Tudor or Omega.
@Firebert I had the exact same think happen to my prized Noob 243. After contacting a bunch of TDs I couldn't find a replacement CG anywhere so I bought two H 243s and transferred one H CG to the Noob. Now, to the point of this post. I gave the H 243 without a CG to [MENTION=6572]txrob779[/MENTION]. He was able to source a CG. He has all sorts of secretive and sordid connections, but you might want to check with him.
 

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[MENTION=133717]Firebert[/MENTION] I had the exact same think happen to my prized Noob 243. After contacting a bunch of TDs I couldn't find a replacement CG anywhere so I bought two H 243s and transferred one H CG to the Noob. Now, to the point of this post. I gave the H 243 without a CG to @txrobb779. He was able to source a CG. He has all sorts of secretive and sordid connections, but you might want to check with him.
When I get off shift I'll have to send him a pm and see if he will divulge his sources
 

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I checked parts section On RG and RWI and There were no CGs To be had


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I checked parts section On RG and RWI and There were no CGs To be had


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Thanks
I messaged a few TDs again saying I would take a h-maker factory crown guard and take my chances....now I wait and see what they say.
 

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Have you considered a generic CG from EBay? Don't know if it'll fit, but a last ditch thought..maybe they could source a whole guard?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-2pc-316...M-PANERAI-1950-Luminor-Daylight-/141465887072

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-316L-STAI...50-LUMINOR-DAYLIGHT-CHRONOGRAPH-/311216628333

its the whole CG im missing. unfortunately.
i messaged a bunch of TD's...
some have already gotten back and told me that they dont source parts. still waiting to hear back from a few more.
i made it clear that i dont care whether it is a n00b or h-maker crown guard.
keeping my fingers crossed.
 

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a few more TD's have gotten back to me saying that the n00b parts are no longer available, and h-maker parts are expensive for them to get, plus the factory is not selling parts due to the raids.
still have one or two more TD's left to get back to me, but im not holding out much hope at this point.
 

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I managed to source an spare crown guard with screws for my ZF Q series pam 535 42 mm case for $55 USD + shipping, this by a non TD here -but a TD on RG- Andrew from TT.

I asked around about your replacement CG for Pam 243, Ryan from inTime (A TD here) actually told me he could source one CG set from H Fac, but its expensive at $90 USD + shipping. Ask him and if you really want this then shed the dough. We also don't know if the case tolerances will be the same between noob and H fac, but most probably (as it's the very same model) they may be off by just trace amounts and some mild case reshaping will be needed for you to put the Hfac CG on the Noob case, hopefully! next time better get blue loctite on your screws mate, I will do that!

best of lucks.
 

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I managed to source an spare crown guard with screws for my ZF Q series pam 535 42 mm case for $55 USD + shipping, this by a non TD here -but a TD on RG- Andrew from TT.

I asked around about your replacement CG for Pam 243, Ryan from inTime (A TD here) actually told me he could source one CG set from H Fac, but its expensive at $90 USD + shipping. Ask him and if you really want this then shed the dough. We also don't know if the case tolerances will be the same between noob and H fac, but most probably (as it's the very same model) they may be off by just trace amounts and some mild case reshaping will be needed for you to put the Hfac CG on the Noob case, hopefully! next time better get blue loctite on your screws mate, I will do that!

best of lucks.
Thanks!
I emailed Ryan and he indeed said he could source the CG. At $90 + shipping.
He said h-factorys prices on parts were steep.
I really hate not having the watch complete, but I'm not sure I want to spend a third of the cost of a new watch on the CG...
 

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Thanks!
I emailed Ryan and he indeed said he could source the CG. At $90 + shipping.
He said h-factorys prices on parts were steep.
I really hate not having the watch complete, but I'm not sure I want to spend a third of the cost of a new watch on the CG...

Situations
A) New Pam 243 from HFac = $308 USD, you bought it and kept it it withouth losing the CG.
B) Pam 243 you lose the CG = you incurred in your own loss, now you can either:
-B1 - Keep it like that and NOT wear it (its unwearable like it is now so you lose the whole -$308 USD
-B2 - Sell it for parts at a substantial loss, say $380-90 for the CG= $290. You get back some of that value minus the CG you lost.

C) Buy the $90 CG - You get back the price of the part YOU lost, so you buy it again, and get back the whole value of the watch to wear again, your loss is -90 USD

D) Buy another watch because erroneous logic tells you $90 is 1/3 of the price. Well now you get to enjoy the watch but for twice the price you would normally pay = $308 x 2.

Logic will tell me that:
A) is not possible; D) is retarded to do; B1) is the greater logical loss (-$308); B2) is unlikely as no one will buy an incomplete watch and the other parts are hardly ever sought, its less "bad" than B1 if ever occurs; C) is your answer, you get to enjoy a watch you love, that you already have at 2/3 of A) with a loss of just $90 USD.
 

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Situations
A) New Pam 243 from HFac = $308 USD, you bought it and kept it it withouth losing the CG.
B) Pam 243 you lose the CG = you incurred in your own loss, now you can either:
-B1 - Keep it like that and NOT wear it (its unwearable like it is now so you lose the whole -$308 USD
-B2 - Sell it for parts at a substantial loss, say $380-90 for the CG= $290. You get back some of that value minus the CG you lost.

C) Buy the $90 CG - You get back the price of the part YOU lost, so you buy it again, and get back the whole value of the watch to wear again, your loss is -90 USD

D) Buy another watch because erroneous logic tells you $90 is 1/3 of the price. Well now you get to enjoy the watch but for twice the price you would normally pay = $308 x 2.

Logic will tell me that:
A) is not possible; D) is retarded to do; B1) is the greater logical loss (-$308); B2) is unlikely as no one will buy an incomplete watch and the other parts are hardly ever sought, its less "bad" than B1 if ever occurs; C) is your answer, you get to enjoy a watch you love, that you already have at 2/3 of A) with a loss of just $90 USD.


I understand what your getting at.
Without the CG, the PAM is essentially worthless, except maybe as parts.
It does make a certain amount of sense to spend $90 to fix a watch that would otherwise just sit in a box, but....
It's a question of spending ~$100, waiting (and hoping) it makes it here from china, and then hoping the h-factory CG actually fits on my noob 243s case. If it doesn't fit? It's a wasted $90.
As much sense as it makes to get another CG, it's a gamble. A $90 gamble.
It would be a much easier decision if they could source a noob CG and I didn't have to take my chances with an H-factory part.

The alternative is to put that money towards something else that's less of a gamble.
 

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I understand what your getting at.
Without the CG, the PAM is essentially worthless, except maybe as parts.
It does make a certain amount of sense to spend $90 to fix a watch that would otherwise just sit in a box, but....
It's a question of spending ~$100, waiting (and hoping) it makes it here from china, and then hoping the h-factory CG actually fits on my noob 243s case. If it doesn't fit? It's a wasted $90.
As much sense as it makes to get another CG, it's a gamble. A $90 gamble.
It would be a much easier decision if they could source a noob CG and I didn't have to take my chances with an H-factory part.

The alternative is to put that money towards something else that's less of a gamble.

Ok selling for parts you are not getting almost nothing, if you keep it like that in the box its a FULL loss, if you lose $90 more (lets say the part doesnt fit) you can always sell the part (maybe the Rep Pam's most valuable part to re-sell), if you do get the part to fit = success.

Id kindly ask an owner of a Pam 243 from HFac to take off its CG and measure the hole's center to center distance, you will need an offset center line caliper) you do the same on your noob and compare, they should match close enough and if not Im sure the tolerances wil be minimal an maybe with a small drill you can mod the case a little bit to make it fit.

Center line calipers are pricey but I had an idea, get plumbers putty and push it against the surface of the case to get a precise mould of the holes shape, curve and center to center line distance -once it hardens the compression modification will be negligible- send the piece out to an Hfac owner in the forum and ask him to try to screw the HFac crown on the plumbers putty piece, it should fit! if it does you can safely order the Hfac crown from Ryan inTime.

***UPDATE I realized you have to actually make a two part process for this, first the putty part (the negative part) and then cast that mould with silicone rubber to get the 1:1 3d model of the part you intend to test, I have done this many times in my work, Im handy with silicone rubber from Smooth-On, so if you wish send over the watch to me and I'll make the model for you to try, I can even try my CG from 535 on it, if it fits you can buy that one and its cheaper though it doesnt have the 1000m engraving on the top.

*you can also ship out your noob to an hfac owner and ask him to try the CG on, you will just lose the back and forth shipping fares but you will GAIN valuable information to ultimately decide what to do. Just use the cheapest rated USPS mail service.
 

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I'm pretty sure no-one is still keeping up on this, but I figured I would give an update anyway.

After much hemming and hawing, (and missing my pam) I decided to roll the dice and order the h factory crown guard for my noob 243m. The crown guard was $100. Took the usual time to get to the US from asia.
Also added to the list of purchases was a tube of thread lock.
When the CG and screws finally made it stateside it got to my door pretty fast.

Then, the moment of truth....
Would the h factory CG fit properly on my noob case?
We'll find out right after this commercial break....
 

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So....
The answer is yes.
The h factory CG fit perfectly on my noob pam243m.
I dropped in thread lock and tightened the screws down pretty well and hopefully it will stay put this time.
I'll have to check it every few days just to be safe though.

Glad to have her back.
 

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Oh, in case anyone was also wondering about the recessed spots the CG sits in... The h maker CG did seem to fit perfectly in the noob case recesses. Both factories apparently replicated the case well enough for those parts to be interchangeable .