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dapasch76

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Hello dear forum, I am completely new here and a bit overwhelmed ;) The Seamaster watch that I bought for about €150 in China years ago is now broken, and I want to buy a new one. On Instagram, I came across various links to this watch. It's being offered there for prices ranging from $100 to $400. I would like to spend around $200 if possible. Can someone give me a tip on where I can get the best possible quality within this budget? Or do I need to spend $400 to truly enjoy the watch? Thank you all.
 

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Hello dear forum, I am completely new here and a bit overwhelmed ;) The Seamaster watch that I bought for about €150 in China years ago is now broken, and I want to buy a new one. On Instagram, I came across various links to this watch. It's being offered there for prices ranging from $100 to $400. I would like to spend around $200 if possible. Can someone give me a tip on where I can get the best possible quality within this budget? Or do I need to spend $400 to truly enjoy the watch? Thank you all.
Welcome!

I strongly suggest not buying any watches on Instagram- it is rife with scammers.

Please peruse the TD ( trusted dealer) section on this website and look at their offerings.

Be aware however that a 200 dollar rep bought years ago of similar quality is now in the 400 dollar range.

Best of luck and post pics once recieved
 

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Depending on the seamaster, 400 is a budget that should get you a decent rep. If you're ready to spend a little more, you'll enjoy a replica that is indistinguishable from gen for 99% of the population.
As said above, use only RWI's Trusted dealers, from RWI'S links, don't ever Google them.
 

dapasch76

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Thank you very much for your kind feedback. I wouldn't have ordered through IG either. I was shown a lot of merchants who claim to have the 'very best watches' - and one of them is probably lying ;) So, does one really have to spend $400 to get a good watch? I would not have fun with a watch priced at $200? Could you also explain the difference between trusted gen and rep dealers? Thank you very much!"
 

dapasch76

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Sure, I'll avoid using IG and Google for my research and look for dealers here instead. Thank you!
 

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Thank you very much for your kind feedback. I wouldn't have ordered through IG either. I was shown a lot of merchants who claim to have the 'very best watches' - and one of them is probably lying ;) So, does one really have to spend $400 to get a good watch? I would not have fun with a watch priced at $200? Could you also explain the difference between trusted gen and rep dealers? Thank you very much!"
A $200 watch may be enough to give you a watch you could be happy with. But it will likely have a mechanical movement of low quality and finishing of secondary/tertiary tier. It may run for a few weeks- it may run for a few years without maintenance.

If you are open to the idea of a quartz watch- your price range is much more in line with a watch you may enjoy- and a watch that would pass muster with the majority of the public. However, A discerning eye will be able to spot it as a fake very easily if that is your concern.
 
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An example of a lower tier rep that should currently be available- with an acceptable movement( miyota).

 

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If you want a budget Sub then you have the GDF at $138 from theonewatches https://theonewatches.io/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=13502 but it's really bad compared to a VSF. Terrible crown guards, low beat movement, wrong lume pip, bezel numerals, date fond and window. It's basically a shitter with a proper Japanese Miyota 8215 instead of a DG2813.

Just buy a VSF instead. Buying the budget option is usually not you saving 250 bucks, it's you wasting 150 bucks because you're gonna end up buying the VSF anyway and throw away the budget watch in a dark corner.
 
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dapasch76

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Alright, thank you for the advice. I'm happy to spend a bit more and enjoy the watch, rather than trying to save and end up with it not working after a few weeks or being easily recognized as not genuine upon closer inspection. One last question; what's a realistic price for a dateless Submariner? Does $400 work for that?
 

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If you are not set on a Sub, I would like to tout the BP Maker Explorer 1 😁

For less than 400, inc shipping, you will get something awesome...and noone ever thinks that an Exp1 is a rep, where as half of reps in the wild seems Subs 😁
 

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The vsf sub costs north of 500$ but it's indistinguishable from gen, only a Rolex expert could spot it and only if you hand it to him. Imo.
 
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...what is vsf...? :O
In the high end rep world you're talking about different factories that make different models. VSF or VS Factory is one of those. So the new 41mm black sub would be a VSF 126610ln, you also have CF126610 or ZF Seamaster 300M etc. After a while you start recognizing the different factories and associating them with higher or lower tiers of rep.

There's a wealth of information on this forum, just start reading.
 
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dapasch76

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ok... i will read a little bit about the td ;) i often have read about "noob" it seems, that this is the high level watch... could it be...?
 

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There are a lot of options, made by different factories, and at different price points. The models also replicate different models of the Submariner, in different finishes, of different vintages, and of different materials.

YOU have to determine which option works best for your needs. Do you want a nearly perfect replica of the current Submariner? Do you want a passable replica with some minor flaws, but at a lower price? Do you want a vintage model? Stainless Steel or Gold? Black, Green, or Blue face and bezel? Etc, etc, etc...

It's an extremely difficult question to answer, probably even for you...it's near impossible to answer for someone else. There is a lot of information on this forum, but ultimately the decision must be made by you, according to your needs. Use the forum to learn and to help choose what the best option is for your own needs.

Generally speaking, you can spend as little as $20 for a very poor copy, $100-200 for a surprisingly good Cartel watch, Maybe $250 for a big step up and a current model, and $500-600 for what's currently considered the "best" replica on the market. You could get a modified or custom "Franken" watch that approaches the price of a genuine Submariner. The choice is yours.
 
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ok... i will read a little bit about the td ;) i often have read about "noob" it seems, that this is the high level watch... could it be...?
I would suggest to take a little time to read the resources provided by @eBoy above 😉
Most of your answers and so much more are already there, and in a compact format.