Lemania Hand Wind Movement Repairs

[LORRYQU]

Does any know who repairs the Lemania Movement? Katt dosen't and G isn't taking on any new work for now, and I don't know if he works on Lemania. My Breguet will not hold a wind. When I wind it and let go of the crown the crown reverses and unwinds the movement. Watch was bought in June 2011 and worn very very little. I've emailed the Trusted Dealer a few times but no answer. HELP!!! Please.

Thanks,

LORRYQ:facepalm:

 

[Wiz]

I do, but if something is broken we might have some problems finding spare parts, and from what you're describing it seems like the lever which prevents the watch from unwinding is broken.

I know some watchmakers rebuild these parts from scratch, but I don't.

 

[frankt8242]

This is a fairly common movement...>>

Often found in many genuine watches, It's NOT a "Lemania"...There has NEVER, AFAIK, been a Lemania in a replica watch...It is a Seagull ST-19, a highly regarded as "bulletproof" movement, and any competent watchmaker should be able to service it...
But it would also be interesting to find out why your TD hasn't responded to your plight ...Please share your experiences with us!!
TD, do on occasion, "go sour", and we exist as a community, to one effect, to keep each other current on such developments...

A bit of "history": These movements were first used in rep Omega "moon watches" to replicate the "Lemania" movements in the gens, and the dealers began using the Lemania name back then...And I guess that "Lemania" sells better than "Seagull"...

 

[katt]

As I mentioned to you , my big concern was being able to source a new click or click spring for an St-19 . Not so easy .

 

[Wiz]

Often found in many genuine watches, It's NOT a "Lemania"...There has NEVER, AFAIK, been a Lemania in a replica watch...It is a Seagull ST-19, a highly regarded as "bulletproof" movement, and any competent watchmaker should be able to service it...
But it would also be interesting to find out why your TD hasn't responded to your plight ...Please share your experiences with us!!
TD, do on occasion, "go sour", and we exist as a community, to one effect, to keep each other current on such developments...

A bit of "history": These movements were first used in rep Omega "moon watches" to replicate the "Lemania" movements in the gens, and the dealers began using the Lemania name back then...And I guess that "Lemania" sells better than "Seagull"...

Actually the Seagull ST19 has nothing to do with the Lemania movement found in Omega watches.

The ST19 is a clone of the Venus 175, but actually it's not really a clone, since the Chinese Army bought the tooling, licence, blue prints, tranning, ... from the Swiss. The branch of the Chinese army producing watches then became the Tianjin Watch Factory, which then became Sea-Gull.

As Sea-Gull own the tooling and licence to produce that movement, not only they can produce it legally (as long as they don't use the name Venus 175, they didn't bought that), but there is also a debate on wether the ST19 is a clone of the Venus 175 or if it IS the Venus 175.

The ST19 shouldn't be confused with the ST3 produced in the 60s which has been reverse engeneered from ebauches of Venus 175.

 

[tracyl]

Wiz and Katt,
I know for a fact that you cannot get parts for the ST1902 from Seagull because I already contacted them, and they say they do not sell parts. However, I have a movement that still works minus one of the chrono wheels if either of you want to buy it for parts for $50.

 

[Wiz]

Wiz and Katt,
I know for a fact that you cannot get parts for the ST1902 from Seagull because I already contacted them, and they say they do not sell parts. However, I have a movement that still works minus one of the chrono wheels if either of you want to buy it for parts for $50.

True you can't get parts from Sea-Gull, but there are other factories in China producing the same type of movements, and from whom it might be possible to get parts.

In fact when you buy a watch supposedly with a ST19 for $200 from one of our dealers, considering the price of a real ST19, the movement is most likely not a ST19 from Sea-Gull, but something from a factory producing lower grade movements.

About the movement for parts you have, maybe it's best that you offer it directly to LORRYQU for a fair price. $50 may be a little high unless you can proove it's really a Sea-Gull movement (with an invoice from the supplier for example).

 

[robbnj]

but there is also a debate on wether the ST19 is a clone of the Venus 175 or if it IS the Venus 175.

If the ST-19 is purported to be a clone of the 175, why is the chrono spacing not accurate on the Speedmaster Moon replicas that use the ST-19 (or is the Venus 175 not a clone of the Lemania movement used in the Moon watches)?

Damn, we weave a tangled web...

 

[tracyl]

Wiz,
I don't know how to tell if my movement is a real seagull st1902. But it came out of an Omega moonwatch that I got from Silix. They have no clue what the movement is. It could very well be a replica of a seagull, but I bought a brand new one from CousinsUK for $138, and it looks identical, down to the blued screws and all. So that is why I guessed it was an original seagull. But I'm not an expert, and I have no way of knowing. I thought $50 was a fair price since it is still working, just not with the chrono. They are $138 plus shipping from CousinsUK, so that is why I thought it was fair. I have someone already interested in buying it, but just throwing it out to the person in most need. Thanks for your information!

 

[Wiz]

If the ST-19 is purported to be a clone of the 175, why is the chrono spacing not accurate on the Speedmaster Moon replicas that use the ST-19 (or is the Venus 175 not a clone of the Lemania movement used in the Moon watches)?

Damn, we weave a tangled web...

The Venus 175 and the Lemania 2310 found in the speedmaster are 2 completly different movements. As frankt8242 said, rep dealers started to call the ST19 "Lemania", maybe for maketing reasons, maybe they got them confused because they vaguely look similar.

In the rep world everyone knows what movement you're talking about when you say "Lemania", but really it's a mistake to use that name for the ST19.

 

[trailboss99]

If the ST-19 is purported to be a clone of the 175, why is the chrono spacing not accurate on the Speedmaster Moon replicas that use the ST-19 (or is the Venus 175 not a clone of the Lemania movement used in the Moon watches)?

Damn, we weave a tangled web...

Because the 175 is not the MVT used in the gen. The 175 is a two register chrono, the speedy uses a three register chrono. Strictly speaking it neither a clone nor the real thing. Yes the rights, drawings and plant for the 175 were bought by the for runners of Sea-Gull way back when and they made the MVTs for quite some time. In the early 70s production stopped and when it was revived in the early 90s it was with an improved version of the MVT that has several differences to the original Venus 175. Put correctly it is an improved version of the 175. Mark II if you like. It bears nothing in common with the MVT found in the gen speedie except its good looks.

 

[Wiz]

Wiz,
I don't know how to tell if my movement is a real seagull st1902. But it came out of an Omega moonwatch that I got from Silix. They have no clue what the movement is. It could very well be a replica of a seagull, but I bought a brand new one from CousinsUK for $138, and it looks identical, down to the blued screws and all. So that is why I guessed it was an original seagull. But I'm not an expert, and I have no way of knowing. I thought $50 was a fair price since it is still working, just not with the chrono. They are $138 plus shipping from CousinsUK, so that is why I thought it was fair. I have someone already interested in buying it, but just throwing it out to the person in most need. Thanks for your information!

If the movement indeed is a Sea-Gull then yes, $50 is a fair price.

 

[LORRYQU]

Thanks all for your advice

Does any know who repairs the Lemania Movement? Katt dosen't and G isn't taking on any new work for now, and I don't know if he works on Lemania. My Breguet will not hold a wind. When I wind it and let go of the crown the crown reverses and unwinds the movement. Watch was bought in June 2011 and worn very very little. I've emailed the Trusted Dealer a few times but no answer. HELP!!! Please.

Thanks,

LORRYQ:facepalm:

I really appreciate everyone's help. The TD answered my email and the watch is on the way to China. I will let everyone know what has happened when I get it back. ( I hope.)